More moebiouses

I'd think it would be easy - join the chain with a half twist in it, then crochet one side as usual and the other side of the chain. I can visualize it, but can't quite explain it in words. But it should be similar to knitting one....

sue

BB if this is your adress i will email it to you . mirjam

Hi Sofia,

Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil your fun. As I said, I _think_ cutting the moebius strip twice makes 2 interconnected pieces... but the last time I played with one was about 25 years ago. And it could be something else too since I explored lots of different weird things when I was a kid.

What you wrote below looks fine to me :)

have fun,

David

Dear Ongoingly Wondering, aka Sofia,

I have not made a moebius scarf so far, but I recognized the word "moebius." I assume someone else will answer you about wrapping it around your neck. Also, I keep my hair very very short... do you have big hair? *chuckle*

David

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Hi David, I can imagine the "device" (the one made of paper or some other material ) having it's applications somewhere but why make a scarf and "glue" the two ends together? To what purpose?? A scarf is something you roll tight around your neck, why make it already "rolled"?? Maybe I'm much of a Tom Boy to see the practicality of the thing even though Mirjam already explained. Doesn't it mess your hair when you try to take it off? The mind boggles :-) Sofia D (who keeps wondering)

David R. Sky a écrit dans le message : snipped-for-privacy@viper.wapvi.bc.ca... Hi Sofia, the "illustrious gentleman" is back *chuckle*, someone who has many interests in life,

If you can imagine and make a moebius strip with paper, you can do the same thing with a scarf. Put the two ends of a scarf together, you get a regular ring. Put the two ends of the scarf together after giving one of the ends a

180 degrees twist, that's a moebius scarf.

*grin*

David

Hi David. Drat, why did you go and spoil my surprise?? LOL I was going to do it but then something came up and my amusement was delayed . I had already imagined the end result of cutting the paper ribbon in more than one strip. The image of a magician's rings came to my mind.( Is this phrase even correctly written? I wonder ) Oh well, you know what I meant. :-) Amazing how things I played with when I was a "kid", have a name after all. Sofia D

David R. Sky a écrit dans le message : snipped-for-privacy@viper.wapvi.bc.ca... Hi Sofia,

*chuckle* I just responded to your previous moebius comment. It's been a long time since I played with moebius strips, I seem to remember that after you cut a moebius strip a second time, you do get two distinct pieces, but they are intertwined.

If you first glue the two ends of the paper strip together, you can cut along its length more than once without worry that the strip ends will separate from each other.

Bon chance! (Non, je ne parle pas plus de le francais, je parle plus de l'espanol.)

David

Hi David, I too played with lots of things when I was a kid. Being very curious (not gossip curious, rather the why and how is it made curious), paper was one of my many victims. Making it, painting it,folding it,cutting it......the works ! :-) I don't know if my explorations could be called weird but I suppose that depends on what end of the huge mess you are. Poor Mom. But it was lots of fun. Sofia D

David R. Sky a écrit dans le message : snipped-for-privacy@viper.wapvi.bc.ca... Hi Sofia,

Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil your fun. As I said, I _think_ cutting the moebius strip twice makes 2 interconnected pieces... but the last time I played with one was about 25 years ago. And it could be something else too since I explored lots of different weird things when I was a kid.

What you wrote below looks fine to me :)

have fun,

David

Hi David, it's me again. As I said before I've always been a bit of a Tom Boy,(I've been raised like a boy even if both my parents wanted a girl, go figure :-) so, messing the hair is not something that would bother me that much. I said it thinking about the Ladies, even if my hair has always been very long.(Mirjam has seen my photo) There was a time when I could sit on it and used to wake up in the morning looking like a silk worm cocoon.. Lots of work specially in winter. But what effect that used to have on the boys ;-) Sofia D I David R. Sky a écrit dans le message : snipped-for-privacy@viper.wapvi.bc.ca... Dear Ongoingly Wondering, aka Sofia,

I have not made a moebius scarf so far, but I recognized the word "moebius." I assume someone else will answer you about wrapping it around your neck. Also, I keep my hair very very short... do you have big hair? *chuckle*

David

Mirjam,

Yes, this is a working email address!

Thank you!

BB

Well Sofia andDavid [mind you !!! Both of you have a name one of my granparents had] I do not travel by car i travel by public transport , the moebious can`t be lost ,,,it is wonderful over your shoulders,,,, it rolls much better over your neck , you don`t have to Pull one side up all the time !!!! Aha ,, it is one of those things , that once you have them , you don`t get it how you lived without them... mirjam

With knitting or crochet, you can make a scarf without a seam.

sue

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen a écrit dans le message : snipped-for-privacy@ar.news.verio.net...

Hi Mirjam, now I can see the point of the "never ending scarf". I guess it would be THE THING to offer my hubby. He is a professional, a Master when it comes to loosing things. Keys, scarves, gloves, wallets, you name it, he looses it :-). I had already though of connecting his gloves with an elastic like we do to kids. LOL And then maybe I will,......... someday !! Sofia D

In message , Magie Noire writes

My daughter has one made for her by her godmother. I like it because on extra cold days you can double it up and pull it over your head like a snood. That's great because not only is she less likely to lose it than a regular scarf, but she's way less likely to lose it than a regular scarf *and* a hat.

Mirjam, could I have the pattern too, please?

Gemini

Sofia, I too used to have my hair long enough to sit on. Twice in fact, I had it long enough that I could sit on about 3" of it... and I each time that I cut it, I cut it very short. One time my Mom refused to look at me for a few days, she was almost sick because of me cutting it like I did. The other time my son, who was very little at the time, cried and said "You're not Mommie anymore!"... I almost cried then too. My hair is long again now, but only about half way down my back at the moment... it was to my waist a couple of weeks ago, but I trimmed about 3" - 4" off because the ends were getting so dried and split.

By the way, when my hair was long enough to sit on, I would often braid it before going to bed so that it wouldn't tangle too much while I was sleeping. ;o)

Gemini

MRH a écrit dans le message : snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com...

Hi Gemini. I too used to braid mine before going to bed but only if it was already dry. For a question of lack time in the morning I used to wash it in the evening and because I always had so much to study and never liked the hair drier, lots of times specially during the winter I went to bed with my hair still wet (I know, I know, very bad for the health, but......... ) In my case it was my Dad that would have been sad if I had cut it but he never said I couldn't do it. He used to say that it was my hair after all and I had the right to do with it what I wanted but I knew how he would feel if I had done it. Why go and cause sadness to someone that loves you above all things? Sofia D

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Oh I didn't deliberately cut my hair to make my Mom or my son sad. Yes, my Mom always mentioned how she loved my hair, and she would often brush and braid it for me (something she enjoyed doing), and she would tell me that I had hair like my grandmother (her mother, who I had never met) who also apparently used to keep her hair long and braided, wrapped up around her head. One day there was just so many tangles in my hair and my Mom wasn't nearby to help get them all out, and I just got fed up with fighting with my hair.... so into the bathroom I went, got out the scissors and cut. When I made that first cut (a very large cut, not just an inch or so into it), my stomach went into a knot and I felt sick... but since the cut was so far into it, I had to continue as it couldn't be saved. When I came out of the bathroom, my Mom was back from the grocery store and when she saw me she said "Oh my God... what did you do?" For the next couple of days she just couldn't look at me when she spoke to me... eventually she got over it, and my hair did grow back out again.

The second time I did it, I was just tired of the same old style all the time... so I mentioned it this time, that I was going to cut it. My Mom said "It's your hair!", and Matthew was napping... so off I went into the bathroom and this time my hair was in a braid and I just cut the braid and put an elastic at the cut end to keep it. However, it is a bad idea to cut your hair while it's in a braid as it ends up totally uneven, and I had to go my Mom's hairdresser to get it fixed properly... it was too bad for my Mom to fix, and she used to trim my hair for me while I sat on the arm of the couch. It ended up being much shorter than I had wanted it to be... and when Matthew woke up from his nap he was very upset and cried that I wasn't Mommie anymore. He got used to it, and once again, it did grow back. :o)

Gemini

Not even for a second did I think you'd done it to upset your Mom. But, if you had nurtured the idea of cutting your hair and then realised what would be your Mom's reaction maybe you wouldn't have done it. I understand perfectly why you did it. I didn't criticize you, what right would I have to do it? Soooo many times I thought about the massacre I wanted to do to my hair........ I even told my Mom and then there she came with that special little, very little blackmail "you go and do it but have you thought about how sad HE will feel?" What did you expect me to do in a moment like this? Hmm? I put up with it for some more years. And some more years....Only cutting small bits to straighten it and avoid splitting ends. A friend of mine who is now 62 use to have the most beautiful brown hair (thick and straight like horse's tail hair) and one day when she was 24 she had enough of it and during her lunch break she went to a hair-dresser and cut it like Joan of Arc (remember the movie with that Swedish actress? Jean Seaberg sp?). When she arrived home, she received the biggest slap in the face from her Mom. She still remembers. My parents would never do that kind of thing to me. Somehow I understand that parents consider every bit of us belonging to them. It must be very difficult to accept that children don't "belong" to parents, and some, I say (only) some decisions must be made by kids themselves. But I'm not going down that road. :-)To much controversy !!

-- Sofia D (from Brussels with love :-)