Bretzels

I like to bake bretzels with "Lauge" that special ingredient that gives the bretzel that beautiful brown colour. (after long searching I found that one get a real lauge when one boils 2 tbsp. of "baking Soda in 1 liter of water for about 10 minutes then the water is ready; dump the bretzels in it for 10 sec. put on the baking sheet and let rise about 2- 30 min, then bake about 20 minutes at 350-325.

But for my life I cannot find the right flour, I use Rogers all purpose white flour, the bretzels look like the originals from Schwaben but do not taste the same by far. they taste like they are made with sweet cookie dough. Has anyone an idea which flour I should use to get the real BRETZELS taste thanks in advance

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Karl Sigerist Sr©
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Hi Karl. BS is OK, but no substitute for real lye. :-(

You are supposed to let them rise first, just like bagels, not after the =

boiling.

They come out much better at 500 F, but you need to have ceramic, like a =

baking stone, in the oven.

Well, you can't. European flour is higher in minerals.

Try Prairie Chief from Wheat Montana Baking with Pillsbury A/P, 50/50.=20

10% dark rye in the mix won't hurt either for the flavor. Sour the rye over night first. Much better. Your local WallyMart should carry both. All-Montana & Pillsbury. But=20 your email looks like you are up north. Otherwise try:
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H. W. Hans Kuntze

Hi Karl. BS is OK, but no substitute for real lye. :-(

You are supposed to let them rise first, just like bagels, not after the boiling.

They come out much better at 500 F, but you need to have ceramic, like a baking stone, in the oven.

Well, you can't. European flour is higher in minerals.

Try Prairie Chief from Wheat Montana Baking with Pillsbury A/P, 50/50.

10% dark rye in the mix won't hurt either for the flavor. Sour the rye over night first. Much better. Your local WallyMart should carry both. All-Montana & Pillsbury. But your email looks like you are up north. Otherwise try:
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Karl Sigerist Sr©

Thanks a million Hans, that helps already a lot. Suddenly I remembered th= e old saying when all else fails ask the experts=20 I will go and look for that Prairie Chief Montana with Pillsbury A/P 50/5=

  1. I am not a baker I am retired I do this as a hobby, first time I hear that the German bakers use "lye" well what is lye? Is this available somewhere in North America or could one make it self? That Baking Soda tip I got from a German Chemist

Then you said : " You are supposed to let them rise first, just like bagels, not after th= e" " boiling." Well I did not know that either, thanks for the tip Same with 500 Temp. Q & A 3. "Sour the rye overnight" ???? look at my puzzled expression on my face, could you please explain this a bit?

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H. W. Hans Kuntze

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From: snipped-for-privacy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Steven Schmid) Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes Subject: LACTO: Schmid's German Beer Pretzels Summary: orig. subject: Karl Schmid's German Beer Pretzels

Date: 9 Jan 92 17:25:36 GMT

Until recently, my father owned and operated a German bakery in Chicago which did a very good business supplying restaurants and delicatessens with these pretzels. Well, he just retired, which means I can post the recipe for the enjoyment of thousands. Sorry, but all of the measures are in terms of weights, not volumes like we usually see on the net.

Dough: (makes 5 dozen)

1 oz salt 1 oz sugar 1 oz shortening 2 oz yeast 4 lbs flour 1 quart milk (or use water w/ 4 oz milk powder)

Lye Dip:

6 oz caustic soda (this is sodium hydroxide otherwise known as lye -- del) 1 gallon water

You will also need pretzel salt.

Oven: 400 degrees F

Directions:

Prepare the dough by first disolving the yeast in the milk/water. Mix in the other ingredients, gradually adding the flour until you obtain a good stiff dough. Divide the dough into increments and form them into pretzels as follows. Given a stick of dough, about 1/2 in in diameter and 8 inches long, roll the stick starting from the middle and working outwards, so that the stick ends up tapered towards the ends. Keep rolling, starting over in the middle whenever necessary, until the piece is about two feet long. Tie a pretzel knot, squeezing the ends very tightly. Place on a lightly floured towel in a warm place so that the dough can rise. We used dedicated boards at Schmid's bakery because we made so many pretzels each day. Keep making the pretzels. When finished, allow the pretzels to rise until they are about the size you desire, usually less than one-half hour. Transfer the pretzels to a cold place in your work area, possibly a refrigerator, although opening a window and using a fan should work well. After about ten minutes of exposure, you will notice that the pretzels have a noticeable 'skin'. They are now ready for dipping and baking.

Put on latex gloves - caustic soda is dangerous stuff - and eye goggles as well. Dip the pretzels in the caustic soda (see below) and place them on a hot baking pan. Sprinkle with pretzel salt. Bake in the 400 degree oven until the pretzels are golden brown - around 30 minutes.

Enjoy!

Caustic Soda mix:

Put one gallon of cold water in a large plastic bucket. slowly add six ounces of caustic soda, stirring constantly. You will want to wear plastic gloves and glasses whenever handling this stuff. It stores well (actually it stores forever).

Notes:

  1. Don't be scared of dipping the pretzels in the caustic soda. Yes, it's poisonous, but the baking eliminates the trouble, and it gives the pretzels the great taste and texture of authentic German pretzels.

  1. Some 'soft' pretzel manufacturers use baking soda dips instead of the caustic soda. While we Schmids thought such practices as nonsense, we appreciated other bakers doing this, since our pretzel business was never threatened by them.

  2. My father has retired, and I am now in possession of a lot of his recipes. Unfortunately, most of them start with the statement "use 50 pounds of flour ...." Should I bother posting these? Can people figure out how to reduce the recipes? My dad owned an authentic German bakery for over forty years and he really knew his stuff.

  1. The hidden trick to this recipe is having a really hot oven. The lye dip should sizzle as the pretzels are put on the baking surface. We had a large oven that wouldn't cool off much as we were putting the pretzels in, kind of like a pizza oven you see at restaurants, only bigger.

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Del Cecchi

Thanks for posting the recipe. I would appreciate any other recipes that you care to share. We can scale down the recipes for home use. Posting by weight makes this easy.

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Vox Humana

Thanks a lot Del, eventually I will find out where to buy that Lye (Sodium Hydroxide)

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Karl Sigerist Sr©

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15.000 places sell in on the net Karl.

Look for food grade, unless you want to ream your internal plumbing. :-)

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H. W. Hans Kuntze

BTW, don't come a crying if you burn your sweet ditty with that stuff.

Use proper care and don't splash, wear rubber gloves and goggles.

You can also re-use that stuff indefinitely, provided you store it in=20 glass/stainless/plastic containers.

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H. W. Hans Kuntze

_____________________________________________________ Final question Dip the Bretzels into cold Lye?

Reply to
Karl Sigerist Sr©

It is used in making soap and as a drain cleaner. Some of the drain cleaners have additives but I think soapmakers use the straight stuff. I would check a drugstore or grocery store.

BE VERY CAREFUL WITH LYE. BE VERY CAREFUL WITH LYE. It is nasty stuff at least until it is way diluted down. Wear gloves and goggles while mixing. It is at least as nasty as Sulphuric Acid.

del.

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Del Cecchi

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ok here are a few more I found Article: 20129 of rec.food.baking Subject: Soft pretzel recipes here (LONG) Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:18:49 GMT Organization: little or none: entropy prevails... Lines: 508

COLLECTION (9) - Soft Pretzels

soft pretzel american home brew soft pretzel soft pretzel using lye soft pretzel using lye #2 "lady luck" pretzel philly soft pretzel philly soft pretzel #2 soft pretzels #2 soft pretzels #3 King Arthur soft pretzel recipe

  • * * * * Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes Subject: Soft Pretzles Date: 17 Nov 1993 22:59:26 GMT

Soft Pretzels

3 pkg. yeast 3 3/4 cup warm water 3 pinches sugar 6 tsp. salt 12-15 cups flour

Knead 10 minutes. Place in greased bowl and let rise until it doubles.

Make ropes 18 inches long and twist into pretzle shape.

Boil: 4 cups water 4 tsp. baking soda

Drop 3 pretzels in and boil 1 minute or until they float. Remove, drain, and place on cookie sheet. Sprinkle with coarse salt.

Bake @ 475 degrees for 12 minutes.

Can be frozen. Reheat when room temp @ 200 degrees for a few minutes (or frozen @ 350 degrees for 5 minutes)

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Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes Subject: Soft Pretzels Organization: Very little, if any at all. Date: 25 Jan 1994 13:18:11 -0500

Recipe from Zymurgy, comments by yours truely. This recipe makes *excellent* soft pretzels. I make this dough on a weekly basis.

American HomeBrew Association SoftPretzel Recipe ------------------------------------------------

Ingredients:

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2 Packages baking (*not* brewing!) yeast 1 1/2 C Warm water 2 T Sugar 1 t Salt (can be reduced or eliminated for the health conscious) 4 C Flour (preferably "baking" or "high gluten", but any will do) 1 Well beaten egg Coarse pretzel salt (again, optional. add as desired.) (Note: often found in the kosher section of your supermarket)

Instructions:

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o Relax. Have a Homebrew. o Preheat oven to 425 degrees F. o Dissolve Yeast in warm water. o Add sugar and salt, mix well. o Add sifted flour (measure unsifted) You can sift through a common strainer if you don't have a real flour sifter. o Knead for five minutes. o Let sit for five minutes to rise. This really isn't necessary but I find it makes the dough less sticky and easier to handle. o Roll the dough into creative and imagianary shapes and arrange on lighly greased cookie sheet. o Brush pretzels with beaten egg and sprinkle salt. o Relax. Admire your creative genius. Have another homebrew. o Bake at 425 deg. F. for 12-15 or until golden brown.

Enjoy these pretzels hot with your favourite condiments, for as good as they are hot, they are as bad cold. I have yet to find a way to reheat the leftovers, through a toaster-oven is about the best I've tried. Using a microwave oven turns them to rubber.

Nadine Miller recomends:

This recipe makes enough pretzels for four hungry people. You can easily double or half the recipe as desired.

P.S. Remember to clean the kitchen or your SO will refuse to let you make them ever again and that would not be good. ;-(

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Del Cecchi

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