Kneading

Helllo! I am a girl from Hong Kong. I like eating bread very much, especially the European style one. But I can just buy it in delux hotels and too expensive. So I try to make bread at home.

However, I come across with a problem of dense texture and hard crust of my loaves of plain white bread. My receipe is usually 500g strong flour, 350 ml water, 2 teaspoon dry yeast, 1 teaspone salt. I take every steps seriously such as ensuring enought rising and proving time.

I think, the problem of dense texture is in the process of kneading. Books always recommend kneading for 10 mintues. But do you think that it is enough. Have you heard of 'screen test'? I found this method to test whether it is kneaded enough in a big English bread book. That means if we use our fingers to make a part of the dough into thin sheet, if it is elastic enough and won't break, that means kneading is finished. However, I have tried to knead from 10 minutes to 50 minutes and did this screen test every 5 minutes. The dough still can't pass the test.

Can you share your experiences of kneading with me. How long do I need for kneading actually? In Hong Kong, buying bread is too easy and people usually have no time and patience to make bread. And the brakery learning school just asked me to add 'flour improver' to make the bread softer. I like natural food and don't want to add any emusifier.

Thank you for your help!

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Barbie
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"Barbie" I think many of your questions could be answered at alt.bread.recipes They are developing a FAQ list at:

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minutes kneading should be adequate. The window pane test should work by then. Proofing and rising are not time dependent. Are you allowing the dough to double in volume at either of these steps? You are using a 70% hydration which should allow large holes to develope.HTHGraham

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graham

You might want to take a look at this site. It should answers all your questions.

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baking bread is an art. You will get better at it the more youpractice.

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Vox Humana

Forget 70% hydration and the big holes!! Jesus, she is trying to learn how to knead bread!

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michael

To pass the window pane test you might try letting the dough relax first. Just leave it sit for 10 mins or so. Your strong flour gets pretty tight, it needs to calm down a little. Also to do a window pane test you really need to know how to 'handle' the dough. I won't worry about a window pane test right now acually. You'll do fine.

I doubt if kneading is the problem. Your rises might be too short. If you are using strong flour your dough should be able to double or even triple in volume and look very puffy. And like already said 'forget time' go by look (volume) and feel (puffy).

Actually if you have the time you could knead it for only 5 mins just to get the lumps out then let it sit covered for 20 mins. You will notice that it will have almost kneaded itself as it were. You can then knead it for a few more mins and there you go.

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michael

Then perhaps you should have read the rest of my post! Graham

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graham

OH Yes! Thank you very much. After letting the dough relax for 10 mins, I can pass the window pane test successfully.

Thank you very much for all of your opinion. Thank you very much!

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Barbie

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