Pricing worry

And if I were the customer I'd be thinking - why is that priced so low? - Must be something wrong with it, so I'll go for the dearer one..

Mavis

Where are you reading this quote? And since it was written to Charlie, but certainly could have been an "open letter" on pricing, does it really matter that you don't like the emotional blackmail (which for me doesn't exist, but it doesn't matter because the post was not written to me).

So now you try to guilt-trip *me* with "Look what you made me do!" AND you call your previous tactics "trying to be nice", which is an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

However, my point is that people generally *do not respond well* to having that done to them. It doesn't accomplish your goals; all it does is make YOU look bad.

Celine

RFC. The argument of "it's all your fault" is STILL IN the part of the post that you left quoted below.

Emotional blackmail is a Bad Thing whether it was addressed to you personally or not. Perhaps you could come up with a non-guilt-tripping way to phrase the argument? (With which, as I stated, I agree -- just not the way it was said.)

Celine

I s'pose part of that depends on the weight... do you know how many grams yours run?

I am seriously interested, but probably not until next month because I'm not too flush cash-wise right now! I'll email you.

-Kalera

Charlie wrote:

I think Sooz is just trying to express something clearly, and is having a bit of a rough time so is being more vehement than usual, not because the concept isn't clear or because she thinks Charlie is dense, but because at certain times, when she is in more pain, I suspect that she has a hard time knowing when she is making herself understood. I have noticed a definite pattern to Sooz's posts, (and I hope I am not overstepping my bounds here in saying this, and if I am, I am *so sorry* dear Sooz), but when she is in a lot of pain she tends to repeat herself, as well as being more gruff in tone and using strong similes. For the not-very-long that I've been on the newsgroup, it has *always* been when she is in a lot of pain that her posts piss someone off and a clash occurs. She is not a harsh person... quite the opposite... and her advice is excellent, even when it's not stated gently.

-Kalera

Lee S. Bill> Agh. Sooz, I understand what you're trying to say here, but I REALLY don't like

I always say 'get over it, get on with it, move on..' or as DH says 'next?'

Who of us has the monopoly on not offending others.. May someone be as forgiving for any *gruff* or *snarky* replies from me as I am to them..

Mavis

Charlie, if you get a fair price for yourself, that would be pretty much like selling for wholesale. The eventual customer usually has to pay retail, which is twice wholesale. If you choose to sell at the lower price, make it clear that your customer is getting it at wholesale. IE, getting it for half price. If you were selling it on eBay, you could start at wholesale, plus a little for actual costs -- and hope to get it bid up to retail.

Tina

umm... don't know if that came out like I meant it..

It's kinda late and I've been burning the candle at both ends..

Sorry Mavis

I am personally grateful for Sooz and her strong opinions, even when I don't always agree with her. Shoot I often don't agree with the rest of you either, LOL. And the reason I am grateful to her is because prior to her joining this newsgroup, I was the one who pissed everyone off regularly. It is nice to have company.

Becki "In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right." -- Counting Crows

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.combuybeads (BeckiBead) :

]I was the one who pissed everyone off regularly. It is nice to have ]company.

gee - i thought that was me?????

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

I totally agree. Official me too post. I didn't read emitional blackmail in the post - I read a strong opinion on pricing. Charlie asked for opinions, and got them. Some agreed, some did not. I believe that all were from people trying to help her, though, not hurt her.

Okay, one more try. The "blackmail" part isn't the argument itself, but the way it was phrased. It's possible to tell the truth about this *without* laying a huge guilt-trip on the person you're talking to; you just did a fair job of it yourself. What I was objecting to was the implication of "see, this is all YOUR fault" in the original post. That was unnecessary and not useful, as the most likely response to it is some variation on "f**k you, I'll charge what I like."

Celine

Sooz,

I know exactly how you feel. Until I got the botox injections for the pain, I had no idea how terrible I really was. My mood has changed significantly off methadone (which I was on for years for pain management). I can't even imagine going back on it, but there may be a point when I have too.

I love you Sooz and don't want to see you gone. You give us spark and your honesty is always welcome.

Hugs,

Starlia

Yes, I know, And you aren't mine, though you sure *sounded* like her in your response to my first comment.

Having thought about this, I suspect that your ex probably used that kind of argument on you a lot, and so now you fall into it from force of habit and example. In case I wasn't clear, I AGREE with the point you were trying to make; but there are better ways of doing it than by guilt-trip. And to anyone who has had someone play guilt-trips with them in the past, it's a completely counterproductive approach -- all it will do is put their back up.

Celine

FWIW, the inventory software I use suggests that "wholesale" cost is 2 x cost of materials, "direct" is 3 x, and "retail" is 6 x. (Which last boggles me, but then someone with a physical storefront has a LOT of expenses that I don't.) Charlie is selling "direct" in this instance, so 3 x cost of materials is probably a fair price.

Celine

I do! I want the monopoly... can I have it?

-Kalera

AmazeR wrote:

I am personally very offended... NOT

Love ya Mavis!

-Kalera

AmazeR wrote: