A Question About Sharing Copyrighted Designs

I'm hoping that I don't get my head bit off for asking this (as I did once a while back), but there is another newsgroup forum that shares copyrighted designs with one another, and I'm wondering, beyond the moral issue of it all, how they know they won't get caught? I've looked at that forum today, and recognize some of the names from here, so I know some of you post there. Some of the things that are being shared are REALLY expensive programs and complete collections of designs, and I'm thinking that maybe one of those bigger companies might come along and not like what they're doing very much?

Before anyone jumps on my case........no I haven't snitched, and no I don't plan to. But it bothers me to see designs being given away, and then later reading about how that designer has had to quit selling their designs because of the stealing that's been going on. Am I alone in that feeling? Julie

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Jaforslev
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No, Julie, you are not alone. But it is more like spitting into the wind I suppose. It doesn't really help. The only thing you can really do is to not traffic in stolen property.

And that is exactly what it is, stolen property. I too will not turn people in, because they can get nasty, and there isn't much that can really be done without large companies and big lawyers. (It can happen, and has. I know of at least two businesses that were put completely out of business for trafficking in stolen designs.)

All you can do is remain true to your principles, and know that at least you are not contributing to the death of dignity and self worth. The sad part about it is that the people who steal designs and programs will pass on their lack of scruples to their children, then cry when society locks them up as thieves and criminals.

JMO,

DaveJ

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Dave Johnsen

Thanks for replying. :) I want to give people the benefit of the doubt and think that they don't realize they really are stealing something because the internet makes it so easy and anonymous. But then I think, would someone walk into a sewing store and shoplift the 4.0 Artista software that sells for over a thousand dollars? I don't think so....but maybe they would if they knew they wouldn't be caught. It's gotten really scary, thinking about what the internet has brought out in people.

Julie

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Jaforslev

"Jaforslev" skrev i meddelandet news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m17.aol.com...

snitched, and no I don't

away, and then later

their designs because

feeling?

No, you are not alone! I checked out this group yesterday and was shocked of the amount of stuff that really should not be out there like this. I don´t feel as bad about the big companies´s stuff, but there are collection from hardworking designers who really don´t charge that much for their collections. I cannot promise, but I do hope I can resist the temptation to take part in this stealing! Happy New Year, by the way! Less than an hour away here in Sweden! I have spent the evening by the sewing machines with the stereo up LOUD to stop my dog getting scared of the fireworks.

Asa

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Åsa W

What is the best under $200.00 emb program that will help you digitize and download designs legally into a Viking rose 650 through a read writer? It need to be simple enough for a child to use (me).

Jerry

We could talk to Bill gates about this one.

I have heard of people who down load and entire program evaluate it and then go and purchase it?

Software support is the most needed feature!

Just my .40

Jerry

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Please don't steal my song! A donation is also very appreciated.

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Jerry Wood

To answer your first question, Embird programs are probably the best for that price range. However the embroidery machines all have their own way of getting the design to the machine. This probably means getting the machines software for this purpose on top of any other software. Embird is still the best value and there is a demo download you can use.

For the second part of your post: In the beginning there were only newsgroups and yes we did download programs posted by developers and yes we most certainly did test and purchase what we thought was good. Amazingly enough Windows was one of the worst programs posted on the Newsgroups and most of the testers said no to purchasing it. We did not even want to use it for free let alone pay money. It is not only embroidery that is available anything and everything is on newsgroups to be downloaded. Fortunately most people will try something and they will purchase. It human nature to want to "own" the 'real" thing. The large manufacturers of embroidery designs know this and surveys have proven that even if something is offered free most people will purchase eventually. Also they have changed the way sales are made, offering more individual designs and less packages. This is also a result of the file sharing sites and the requests on them. Three of the biggest monitor the sites to see what designs are being digitized and what are asked for the most. Then they incorporate that info into new designs. Programs, like Embird, have a better rate of sales because they do post a demo and are reasonably priced. It is very often programs like this that are voted taboo to share. For a real eye opener got to some of the book sharing sites. Most are there before the book is released for sale. While it would be nice to blame these sites for the demise of some embroidery sales it is not exactly the truth. Good designs will sell, but there are so many sites now with stuff for sale, and so many digitizers that some are just getting lost in the crowd. Also in the past year we have lost several to deaths, and their sites have been removed. With more people doing their own designs it will only be a matter of time before we lose more design sites. If everyone is doing it then no one is buying it. On the other hand, Prosecutions of the users of file sharing not proven to be winnable, and the ones that were successfully prosecuted turned around prosecuted the digitizers and site owners, and won!

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:59:53 GMT, "Jerry Wood" wrote:

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Hanna's Mom

Nothing beats consensus of those who know better!

If you have a question about microsoft Office I can help you there. You could say if it isn't worth stealing then it usually isn't worth buying. I purchased my share of vaporware in the past and now I try to avoid it by asking a bazillion question and getting a demo copy to try . I also find a way to beta test and give feedback for a legitimate copy. I am an artist and I would love for someone to pay for some of my music. but not out of pity but because they like my work. and want to support my craft Of course I only charge .50 cents a song so it takes allot of sales to make it worthwhile.

Thanks Jerry

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Jerry Wood

Sounds like a lot of rhetoric to make yourselves feel better about stealing.

If what they're doing isn't illegal or wrong, then why do they use untraceable email accounts? Julie

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Jaforslev

Dear snipped-for-privacy@aol.com Anyone who's been on Usenet for more than a few days knows there's many good reasons to hide their e-mail address.

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stranger

Stranger is absolutely right. I posted a request for info on Society of Genealogists a few years back and received a dozen viruses every day for nearly 2 weeks. 129 in all! A lesson well learned. As regards posting anything copyrighted you can look after your own morals but you can't look after everyone elses. Lynne

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Lynne

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