hand glass beveling machines for sale, ten, located florida, USA

Yeah...we remember you from the last go 'round...I guess that you didn't get the message that the machines you have will garner more $$ from the scrap dealer than anyone else. Who's gonna move them klunkers? Where is the power going to come from to run 'em once they've been moved? Krimenently Bill, get out the cutting torch and scrap them!

Mike

Maybe he's hoping the Smithsonian will contact him?

obviously, mike, folk like you aren't serious bevelers, or even bevelers at all, for that matter, so, umm, should I care about your observations? I'm curious, though: did you buy a toolbox yet? or are you still fulltime busy 'making fun of' others efforts?

the -serious- buyer will have 'the right stuff' & inclination to move 'em. others, of lesser brainpower, will continue to childishly amuse themselves thinking they're "full-blown glass pro's" because they own a soldering iron...and maybe TWO glasscutters. wowie...

hey mikey - perhaps you've heard of forklifts, hydraulic tailgates, and intermodal cargo containers?

again, mr. mike, as always, the power will come from the serious buyers premises. but, uhh, because YOU have no clue what three phase is and have no familiarity with voltages other than 115 single phase doesn't mean the rest of the earth in as ill-informed as you, happliy. you might not believe this, but some folks here DO operate out of premises _other_than_ their homes; meaning: warehouses with industrial electric (uhh, stuff you're not familiar with).

gee, mike, why not consider 'scrapping' your worthless unstudied observations?

hey "mookflaker" speaking of the smithsonian: did you ever have any luck building those hand bevelers you wanted to put into a shoebox under your bed? you guys certainly are quite a pair....which one of ya's is president of your mutual admiration socity?

I got an idea where you can stuff those "machines", asshole.

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I am a beveller, and I am curious, Dave?

Why put yourself to the grief? Yeah, I know these machines have served you well, but so did my old 386-25 computer. The problem you have is that the learning curve needed to make these produce a good bevel is more than alot of people have in an age of necessary high production per hour. High speed diamond wheels cut the time on the machine. Yes, there is some specialty moves that they can't do, but they are not run into that often.

Here is the kicker, I bevel on equipment such as what you are selling, but if I were buying today the machines would have to do more inches per hour. It's just business.

By the way, its not that your machines aren't worth it, there just is not anyone left with the time and inclination to learn to bevel by hand on that type of machine. I have a friend trying to sell a Denver 30" set. New it was $13,000 fob Denver, they are down to $2000 and can't move it. Same thing you have, rougher, smoother,with good Lombard wheel, incurve rougher and smoother, cork and fiber wheels with polisher(30"). Are you willing to sell them that low? I doubt it.

By the way, the Smithsonian has a set, as does the Greenfield Village in Dearborn, and the Center for Creative Studies in Detroit. Bet Wheaton Village has some too! There isn't anyone left to donate them to either

Offshore and Pacific Rim are heavy into high speed diamond, even they know its more efficient, nobody does if for the joy and personal satisfaction of creation.

I bet you knew all this, I just didn't have anything else to do this evening so I thought I would be the nice guy before saying they are nothing better than a boat anchor.

no "grief" selling the machines; a post every six months or year or so, on avg. someday the right guy will come along. till then, I deal with "peanut gallery" type commentaries

didn't you say they're serving _you_ well, too? thought I heard you say that...a little further down

unlike you, I can't 'speak to' the learning curve of ALL people on earth. some of the more adept folks will 'grasp the concept' and techniques neccessary in minutes, but others never will, with the majority, I'd guess, falling somewhere in between on the learning bell curve. but maybe you're better qualified to speak for everyone on the PLANET than I?

each to his own, I always say...the guys I know that bevel still "swear by" the old machines, and have diamond - wheeled machines in their shops, too, in some cases.

here we go with the 'not anyone' sweeping generalizations of speaking for 'everyone on earth' again - interesting.

see my earlier commentaries regarding "quality of machines currently offered" with too-small bearings, undersized shafts, lightweight steel frames, too small motors, etc etc. my machines were running about a century before DGM stuff even existed, and will still be running after DGM stuff's been melted down and turned to rebar.

speaking for 'the entire planet' again? so this means I might not find a buyer in the next 15 minutes? that's kinda shocking :-/

well, you're _still_ the self-appointed speaker for everyone on the planet. cool sweeping generalizations. innacurate though they may be. agreed, though, there aren't 'millions of buyers' waiting, like for soldering irons and glasscutters, but, hey, that's life. I realize this is a 'special interest' thing. some guys want dusenbergs, others just want hyundai's

you can use yours YOURS for "boat anchors" if you'd like. diff strokes for diff folks. I'd prefer selling mine, and, if no buyers, using 'em, like you do yours. you have iron-framed Lange and Homan machines, or what? do they jiggle, wiggle, and vibrate their way across the floors? but you're not swapping YOURS in for the denver stuff. ok, I see...

Geez, talk about an attitude, well then you get what you sow.

I was speaking in a generality, yup , for the whole planet. You didn't actually think I was responding for your benefit did you? You have been trying to sell this outdated stuff for years and I don't ever recall seeing an asking price. Just what are you expecting for this stuff?

I was making a reply so the whole world could see there is an easier, better way of doing things than with antiquated overbuilt junk. You call babbets the prefferred way of doing things compared to steel bearings and grease? Ever wonder why nobody uses them anymore? Babbetts wear, and they wear more with prolonged use, and most of the time they don't wear evenly, and you have to CAST new ones, anybody know how? Besides Dennis.

Gee, how long do babbetts last before they have to be recast? Have to have a whole new history and education to maintain those dianosaurs, and what about that "soft" wheel for smoothing, what is it good for if it won't smooth and edge.

If they were all that great, why do you want to sell them? You are working as a carpenter? If these machines were capable of knocking out those inches per hour that the newer machines can you could double your income.

Nah, this response is FOR the rest of the world, to warn them that buying antiques, that will never increase in value as an investment is a waste of money.

And as for the learning curve to bevel on these machines, you picked it up in minutes? yeah, right. Lets see a close up of some of those bevels so we can see the facets or over polished break lines, if they are not there, why aren't you still beveling on these hulks?

And I do bevel on Denver equipment, daily, and those machines are easy to maintain and adaptable to diamond and increased production load, oh yeah, and they operate on 220 volt single phase, with motors big enough to do the job easily. For over 15 years on the same equipment with no breakdowns at all. grease them once a month, easy.

Let any buyer beware of this equipment, in my opinion.

Gawd, what an ego.

When you finally decide what you have is, indeed, boat anchors, maybe, just maybe, you'll mercifully tie yerself to the last one you throw overboard.

Did Bill go and tug on Superman's cape? ;>)

and spit into the wind,

How big is this boat you guys are talking about?

The USS Missouri

Is very lee-til boat, ding-he maybe, but very beee-ga wind!

oooooooooooooooooooooooooo....

A tough guy with a fat mouth...

My observations still stand - you've been trying to sell these dinosaurs now for at least a year, if not more. If all you can do is insult us, you've certainly got a lot of time on your hands, time that could certainly put to better use with a cutting torch. Lessee, a couple of "K" tanks of oxygen, one or two acetylene tanks, and a #3 cutting tip on a cutting torch, and 5-6 hours, you'd get yourself enough scrap metal to pay for your internet service, put gas in your beat up pickup truck, and maybe, just maybe, enough cash to pay the lot rental for your trailertrash house, right?

But, you're so smart -0- keep on trying to sell them, spam us some more with this crap, maybe we'll get fed up with your childish behavior and complain to your ISP...nahhh, it's more fun poking you with sharp sticks.

Mike

My memory may not be crystal clear on this point, but I'm thinking these first hit the newsgroup around '97.

I never found fault with him posting them for sale, just back then it seemed he was doing it every two weeks. When he posts twice a year or so, I just think, "damn, after all these years, and he STILL hasn't sold those..."

If these are the same machines that David Campbell was trying to sell, they postings go back to the earliest days of the newsgroup, Aug 21 1995.

The earliest post I see by Bill is Sept 12, 2002.

-- John

Steve Ackman wrote:

Its still Dave according to the web page.

Tough crowd here. I am a custom hand beveler. A lot of studios perfer hand beveled glass. I have done this for 25 years, have not missed any meals that I recall and make a good living for me and mine. I do some cut off work of bevels from shape bevelers, most are good bevels. I have visted a few shops that make them in combination with line bevelers. Over all they look good and they sell very, very well. These shops also send me the little jobs they don't like to mess with. This fills my days very well. What I am saying is there still are hand bevelers, will be for a long time. One can keep busy on repair pieces alone. I am sent jobs from all over the US. So if you think this is a dead craft, THANKS, I'll get more work if you cut up your stuff. Dennis

Approx where are you located?