Can anyone identify this type of needle lace please?

Could be needlelace, or could be a combination with crochet. Hard to tell from the pictures. The flower petals are worked with needle/thread. And I'm pretty sure the other portion is needlelace, but can't say for sure without it being in my possession.

Sorry I'm not of more help. Dianne

lovely snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com.au wrote:

Can you tell if this is a separate piece sewn onto the corners of the linen? If so, I think this could be bobbin lace, primarily from the leaves/petals of the flowers. This looks like the Torchon bobbin lace method for doing leaves. Pic is here:

am not familiar with the ground pattern on the rest of the corner.Hope this helps Catherine

Thanks for looking Diane and Catherine,

There are definitely no crochet stitches, and yes it does appear to be a separate piece that was then attached to the corner. The entire napkin edge has a buttonhole stitch all around. I think that as the buttonhole stitch was being executed around the corner it was used to catch parts of the lace piece, thus attaching it very neatly without the need for additional "attaching" stitches.

Fran

Could it be a crochet insert? It`s very similar to something my aunts and grandmother did.

Lovely, whatever it is.

Pat P

Hi Fran

This is bobbin lace, done in a rather course thread in the Bedfordshire style - the leaves worked in the overlapping manner is very typlical of this lace. Lots of this table linen came out of China in the 1970's.

Hope that assists you.

Joanne in Perth (a lacemaker)

The outside is crochet (although I don't know the technique for the flower). The reason I know the outside is crochet is that I have doilies in exactly that pattern made by a friend who crocheted them. If you look closely at the picture you can see the crocheted edge and the 'radial' pattern in crochet work as it was increased.

Marg

Hi Joanne,

Thanks so much for having a look for me. Your reply has been very helpful. I found your comment about a lot of this table linen coming out of China in the 1970's very interesting. I see many napkins with Madeira style hand embroidery with similar or identical patterns in the same colours and I suspect that many of these are from China also. Hadn't seen one with bobbin lace before, though I am a child of the

70's :-)

Fran Perth WA.

Thanks for taking the time to look and reply Pat and Marg,

In this case, many heads are better than one in trying to identify this. You have no idea how many lace searches I have done on Google trying to identify this :-)

Fran

Hi,

My two cents worth: I'm sorry to disagree Marg, but I don't think there's any crochet there at all. In my opinion it is bobbin lace, as Joanne said.

The "radial" pattern you describe is formed by the pins - used to stabilise the work while one is creating the bobbin lace - being gradually placed further apart.

JMHO.

Yvette Stanton Author of "Elegant Hardanger Embroidery" and "Mountmellick Embroidery: Inspired by Nature"

Thank you Yvonne, you are 100% correct, the radial pattern is half stitch, which has been done in a rather thick thread and probably washed, which has given it a rather "scrunched" appearance instead of the usual "cyclone fence" look.

Joanne

My two cents worth: I'm sorry to disagree Marg, but I don't think there's any crochet there at all. In my opinion it is bobbin lace, as Joanne said.

The "radial" pattern you describe is formed by the pins - used to stabilise the work while one is creating the bobbin lace - being gradually placed further apart.

JMHO.

Yvette Stanton Author of "Elegant Hardanger Embroidery" and "Mountmellick Embroidery: Inspired by Nature"

Well, I'm glad someone knows what this is. I was stymied because although it looked like some needlelace, that didn't quite fit. Nor did crochet - there was a lack of any of the chain stitch identifiers for crochet. I was looking intently at the looped edge and just couldn't figure out how this was done. :-)

Knowing nothing about bobbin lace, my head didn't go in this direction.

Dianne

The Lady Gardener wrote:

I've made bobbin lace, crocheted lace and needle lace and I definitely agree that these are pictures of bobbin lace.

Dawn of the Dusk

Yep, definately bobbin lace.

Johanna

Thank you to everyone who has replied to my query. All your help has been appreciated.

Fran