Twelve dollars

My sentiments exactly. Dianne

Mary offered to pay me my costs a long time ago if it meant she could get "rid of me." Because we had many months where the angel was not located and that totally pissed me off. I'm sorry I ever did this angel. You may think you know me, but I assure you, you don't.

Jangchub ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote and saddened us with

There is one sure way to end this immediately. Vic how much do you reckon you are owed ? State your expenses here and total it up and we will all contribute and get it paid off and done with. That way, there will be nothing more to be spiteful about.

I fail to understand it - you did things willingly and if you really didn't expect to be paid for them - why start all this now and undo any nice thing that you did do originally? I have not had any part in this project but I am willing to contribute to this idea if it ends the very inelegant, stupid, pettiness of it all.

I don't think I know you, and I'm certain I don't want to know you. I try to keep negative people out of my life.

Much of the time the angel was "just sitting" was when it was in your possession.

You keep saying you want to be left out of this. Why don't you just leave yourself out of it, and stop posting and/or responding to the topic?

Vic wrote & I respond:

Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS! See my Webshots albums at

Jere,

I just call it like I see it. Tia Mary plays the victim here, when she's no angel herself. She makes little digs while crying about how she's been wronged. Meanwhile, she'll say something petty to belittle Victoria's contribution to this project. Considering the original concept was Victoria's I think that counts as a big contribution. So what if she wants the leftovers back, is it actually going to hurt anybody to send them to her? I mean really hurt them? Was it actually "nice" for Tia Mary to put up a dollar figure (without benefit of seeing Victoria's original receipts) just to make Victoria look petty for wanting the leftovers back?

I get angry when I see one person picked on like Victoria gets picked on. She is hardly the only person on rctn who "picks fights". Sheena does it constantly. Gill attacks Vic's religion, or her following of it, for no reason I've ever been able to discern. Elizabeth has (in the past) admitted to purposely provoking Mirjam. It would seem that a lot of the "regulars" are no better than Victoria (or myself).

BTW, Victoria isn't evil unless all the above mentioned people are as well.

Caryn

I NEVER asked to be paid. Mary sarcastically said she'd rather pay me and shut me up, or something to that effect. Then she was going to auction off the remaining stuff, to which I said I think I should get those back because I wound all the bobbins, marked them, etc. I never ever asked to be paid for anything.

I doubt me calling you a control freak ruined your reputation. And I also doubt I'm the first person to ever say that to you.

I never called a particular person evil. I've known one truly evil person in my life, and it wasn't anyone on this newsgroup. I don't know Vic, and I don't want to know Vic -- but I know some of her posts have surely felt evil. Whether she is evil is not up to me to determine.

There are fights here all the time. Vic is the only person I have personally seen who seems to go trolling for them.

But there may be others. I'm not an expert. I don't want to be an expert on that particular subject.

I don't like it either when I see someone being picked on. That was not my perception in this case. I called it as I saw it.

It was perceived by this group to be petty and small minded when you asked for your things back.

If you're going to keep involving yourself in this discussion, after you repeatedly say you are washing your hands of all of it, then take the consequences of your actions.

Jangchub ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

Vic, you have just got through posting that $12 isn't enough for whatever. I am just suggesting, name your price, we will pay it in full and then you can kill file the thread and as you stated you wished, have nothing more to do with it.

So state a price that satisfies you for anything you did, and then let it rest.

For god sake Victoria Should we all chip in and pay you an hourly rate for your time as well??? Ruby

I'm not sure if you ever asked to be paid and I DID say I would pay you for the stuff you bought if that would make you happy and get you to quit posting about it. I did that last year and I am sure I was being sarcastic because I felt that is what the tone of you post called for. When I mentioned auctioning off the remaining supplies, I assumed you didn't want them anymore because you had openly and repeatedly washed your hands of the project and said we should as we please with the Angel and the supplies. You can't have it both ways. Actually, the only thing I was aware you really wanted returned to you was the scroll frame and I had sent that off long before any mention of auctioning off the supplies. So now you have almost all of the supplies returned to you except for the bobbins and those should be sent to you within the next week or so. You haven't gotten back the DMC but you have been paid a reasonable amount of money to replace them. I'm not sure what else you want of me. I certainly won't apologize for keeping the project on track even tho' you seem to think I ripped control of it out of your hands. I won't apologize for standing up for myself when I had done nothing wrong except stand up to you. If you thought I had taken control of the project from you, why didn't you say something long ago -- perhaps when Dianne put my name on the website as being coordinator? If you didn't want me to have any sort of control, WHY in the name of all that's logical, did you give up the control you had?

I doubt that anything you could say at this point would ruin my reputation. That's not the point. The point is that you basically told lies about me and accused me of things that did not happen and were not true. You called me a thief when you posted that I had taken the project from you. Your posts repeatedly call me petty and vindictive. I had said that I *could* be as petty and vindictive as the next person when I feel it is necessary. YOU say that I am pretty much always petty and vindictive. You call me a control freak and that implies that I am *always* trying to control everyone and everything I have dealings with. These are blatant lies and you have no honest, logical, solid way to prove any of them. I'm certainly no saint and have never professed to be. What I have striven for during this confrontation is to be as honest as possible. I have tried to make my posts level-headed and adult in their language and not stoop to name calling. I HAVE posted several times that you lied and I have given supportive reasons for making that claim. I am trying my best to have an adult argument and stand up for myself with being too petty or vindictive.

I, too, will contribute to this if it will put a stop to Vic's vitriolic spewing.

Crewelwoman

I think a lot of us would send a small donation to get this project done and delivered and to shut up two particular people who are just making the whole thing a project of nastiness. Believe me, so many of us predicted that this project would never go smoothly and decided not to join for that very reason - due mainly to one person ... gee, guess who? Her angelic caring portrayal of herself at the start has been totally destroyed by no one but herself. She wanted out - she's out - send back her wisps of floss, etc. then forget the name, the nastiness

- and go forward to what is supposed to be a very nice *thanks* to those who gave their lives on 9/11. That's the only thing that is important here. You're all approaching the finishing line - go for it. Forget the whiners, the pettiness - and always remember those who tried to make this a very beautiful project in remembrance of abolutely terrible tragedy. Good Luck

Sharon (N.B.)

I think a lot of us would send a small donation to get this project done and delivered and to shut up two particular people who are just making the whole thing a project of nastiness. Believe me, so many of us predicted that this project would never go smoothly and decided not to join for that very reason - due mainly to one person ... gee, guess who? Her angelic caring portrayal of herself at the start has been totally destroyed by no one but herself. She wanted out - she's out - send back her wisps of floss, etc. then forget the name, the nastiness

- and go forward to what is supposed to be a very nice *thanks* to those who gave their lives on 9/11. That's the only thing that is important here. You're all approaching the finishing line - go for it. Forget the whiners, the pettiness - and always remember those who tried to make this a very beautiful project in remembrance of abolutely terrible tragedy. Good Luck

Sharon (N.B.)

I think a lot of us would send a small donation to get this project done and delivered and to shut up two particular people who are just making the whole thing a project of nastiness. Believe me, so many of us predicted that this project would never go smoothly and decided not to join for that very reason - due mainly to one person ... gee, guess who? Her angelic caring portrayal of herself at the start has been totally destroyed by no one but herself. She wanted out - she's out - send back her wisps of floss, etc. then forget the name, the nastiness

- and go forward to what is supposed to be a very nice *thanks* to those who gave their lives on 9/11. That's the only thing that is important here. You're all approaching the finishing line - go for it. Forget the whiners, the pettiness - and always remember those who tried to make this a very beautiful project in remembrance of abolutely terrible tragedy. Good Luck

Sharon (N.B.)

I think a lot of us would send a small donation to get this project done and delivered and to shut up two particular people who are just making the whole thing a project of nastiness. Believe me, so many of us predicted that this project would never go smoothly and decided not to join for that very reason - due mainly to one person ... gee, guess who? Her angelic caring portrayal of herself at the start has been totally destroyed by no one but herself. She wanted out - she's out - send back her wisps of floss, etc. then forget the name, the nastiness

- and go forward to what is supposed to be a very nice *thanks* to those who gave their lives on 9/11. That's the only thing that is important here. You're all approaching the finishing line - go for it. Forget the whiners, the pettiness - and always remember those who tried to make this a very beautiful project in remembrance of abolutely terrible tragedy. Good Luck

Sharon (N.B.)