A preachy pompous musing, condescending, but mine own.

For an art form to flourish, as with the legs of a three legged stool, the triad of craftsman-artist, collector-supporter and gallery-museum are each important and necessary. Within the triad, artists and collectors have mostly enjoyed immunity to personality traits and eccentricities that artisans and businessmen have not. This dichotomy has worked for flat art and probably is best for wood art. Of course, not every incivility can be excused.

A current thread on rcw perturbs the triad because of a brouhaha about a website. This has nothing to do with the valuable support (which I acknowledge with much appreciation) of wood art by a collector. I had thought better of him and his take is disappointing, but certainly not unique in the history of art....or of this ng.

I won't pontificate on the common situation of 'presumed carry over knowledge'. Should the doctor away from the hospital, the judge off the bench, the priest down from the pulpit and the masters at Winchester be immunized from the mistaken belief that they are all knowing about all things? We need their expertise in their fields, and it is often best to forgive or at least overlook their sins of commission and just be glad in them. I think it's about the same with each leg of the wood art triad.

I said this would be a pompous musing. It's too late, I've hit the send button. ;)

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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"Arch" wrote: (clip) A current thread on rcw perturbs the triad because of a brouhaha about a website.(clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arch, am I alone here? Since I don't follow every thread religiously, I don't know what you are talking about.

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Lyn J. Mangiameli

Sorry, but I may be alone in that I am struggling here. Your point(s) would be?

Carpe jugulum

Jonathon

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Jonathon

Jonathan, Thanks for your response. You are not alone in your struggles. Many here suffer me not too gladly, but most always fraternally. I make no point(s), just gentle musings. All Best, A.

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Arch's point is that we as artists appreciate your position as collector. For the artist to survive we need both the businessman and the collector. Let's let bygones be bygones and get on with the business of turning.

Arch threw in the towell so to speek. We are here for turning and website design is another news group.

Thank you Arch.

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Leo L. wrote, "Since I don't follow every thread religiously, I don't know what you are talking about."

***********************************************Leo, for _heaven's sake keep religion out of this mess. It's not necessary for you to know what I'm talking about. I sure don't! Best regards, A.

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With apologies for repeating the email Henry, some of it bears repitition - and it is NOT directed at most of the considered people who engage their brains before posting.

"Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I have exchanged messages with Arch in the past - yes I have been around this group for 2-3 years but left on account of the way in which it had dramatically deteriorated as had others I know.

I see in the postings so far (across both ngs) - evidence of people who in their scribblings seek to intimidate others with the message almost getting lost. Whilst not wanting to take the world on, one thing a bully does not like is someone prepared to stand and trade. I will give as good as or better than I get and am not prepared to take some of the ill considered and lame posts in evidence thus far.

And yes - I am giving serious consideration to restricting site access. I see no reason why my time and effort should be enjoyed by this minority - irrespective of their turning skills (real of professed).

So unfinished business at this end - and certainly an attitude coming from a clear direction that gives me food for thought.

But let's grandstand this for a moment.

As ambassadors for your country and your craft, in what is let's agree a very small goldfish bowl - whoa stop there, not a pretty picture..

Irrespective of the US shows I visit, my wallet will almost certainly point elsewhere in future - which I am sure, to quote an earlier poster, will cause you to lose no sleep at night whatsoever. However it will be an interesting discussion to relay and chew over with MY contacts both here and abroad - as I am sure you will do yourselves.

However - here is something to mull on. A person receiving good service rarely tells anyone. Someone on the end of poor service - will tell everyone he can find who will listen. Go figure. Seasons greetings and thanks again for emailing"

Jonathon

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I do not understand this at all. You are judging the merits of 300 million americans based on the actions of a few which are on-line and somewhat aggressive? How on earth does this become an UK vrs. US thing? What does nationality have to do with it with the merits of individuals?

Frankly, I lose sleep at night because so much of the world appears so willing to judge individuals based on some judgment of their nationality, race, religion or other group attribute. This is quite sad.

For the record, I am not American, do not reside in America and have no stake in it at a personal level other then being disturbed that a clash of opinions and personalities should be spun into a nationalism issue.

PK

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Paul Kierstead

And this is also your first post. Take a look at the other ng - perhaps my comments will make more sense. Oh and this is not a US vs UK or indeed anywhere thing - more of a broad brush comment on the way in which the vocal, and sometimes inarticulate minority of posters on here sound.

Jonathon

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Jonathon

Huh? Hardly. Or do you mean on this topic? My email periodically changes, but the name has always been the same.

Then what does their nationality have to do with it? And why will you not be buying US turners work? What did the individuals do to you? I have read (and read) both NGs. There have been some blunt, but IMO correct responses, there have been some rude ones, there have been some very helpful nice ones. All in all, a pretty good score for usenet.

Yet, I still fail what nationality (which you bring into it) has to do with anything. Posters here do not represent their countries; even statistically speaking, they are a very narrow cross section of society. And their country of origin does not determine their attitude.

PK

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Paul Kierstead

Apologies - yes your first on this topic.

Nationality on its own - has no bearing.

However it is interesting to note where the less than positive commentary has been sourced - given that my reading of the information is correct.

If you want a really really good example of the vicious drivel you can post on this and the way people just let it slide - take a look at a recent contribution I made to a new thread where a new turner / designer posted his efforts of which he was rightly proud and then got shot down. Polite words forbid me writing here my true opinion of the individual concerned - must see if he has a site!

I have not yet read a posting from anyone on here who knows me and there are no reasons for you or the ng readers to know this (unless you have visited the FAQs on the site) but we never buy blind.

We only buy from a turner we have met and formed an opinion on. If we dont get on with them - then we shake hands and leave irrespective of what they are turning and how nice it is. And similarly they are free to do likewise.

Like it or not, the bottom line is that a number of posters to this group leave me with a really bad taste in my mouth - and probably wrongly I associate that attitude with their domicile - my connection to make should I chose to do so.

Again wrong - perhaps - but my also my error to make should I elect to do so.

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Jonathon

Well, that would be your loss Jonathon. I certainly wouldn't turn a blind eye toward any of the fine UK turners should I find myself in the market for a turning, in spite of the opinion I have formed of you due to the recent threads. I don't see you representing or reflecting on anyone but yourself (and perhaps your parents). Likewise with the faceless, and largely anonymous, others posting here on the group.

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Owen Lowe

Owen - now why would you chose to personalise this and mention parents?

That really plumbs depths - but apparently something that sits comfortably with you which in itself raises questions. Rather sad. Paul if you are reading this - QED?

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