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I just received this E-mail from my daughter who is a police officer in Toronto. She works at headquarters as a liaison between the police force and schools in Toronto.

Today this message was passed on to everyone in the office as important. Apparently the stealing of ones identity is on the march.

thank you,

Els

Read this and make a copy for your files in case you need to refer to it someday. Maybe we should all take some of his advice. 1. The next time you order checks have only your initials (instead of first name) and last name put on them. If someone takes your checkbook, they will not know if you sign your checks with just your initials or your first name, but your bank will know how you sign your checks. 2. Do not sign the back of your credit cards. Instead, put "PHOTO ID REQUIRED". 3 When you are writing checks to pay on your credit card accounts, DO NOT put the complete account number on the "For" line. Instead, just put the last four numbers. The credit card company knows the rest of the number, and anyone who might be handling your check as it passes through all the check processing channels won't have access to it. 4. Put your work phone # on your checks instead of your home phone. If you have a PO Box use that instead of your home address. If you do not have a PO Box, use your work address. Never have your SIN# printed on your checks. (DUH!) You can add it if it is necessary. But if you have it printed, anyone can get it. 5. Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy machine. Do both sides of each license, credit card, etc. You will know what you had in your wallet and all of the account numbers and phone numbers to call and cancel. Keep the photocopy in a safe place. I also carry a photocopy of my passport when travel either here or abroad. We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed on us in stealing a name, address, SIN, credit cards. Unfortunately, I, an attorney, have first-hand knowledge because my wallet was stolen last month. Within a week, the thieve(s) ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record information on-line, and more. But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this happens to you or someone you know: 1. We have been told we should cancel our credit cards immediately. But the key is having the toll free numbers and your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those where you can find them. 2. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where your credit cards, etc. were stolen. This proves to credit providers you were diligent, and this is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one). But here's what is perhaps most important of all: (I never even thought to do this.) 3. Call the two national credit reporting organizations immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and Social Insurance number. I had never heard of doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the Internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks your credit knows your information was stolen, and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this, almost two weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done. There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away. This weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them dead in their tracks. Now, here are the numbers you always need to contact about your wallet, etc. has been stolen: 1.) Equifax Canada: 1-877-249-2705 2.) TransUnion: 1-877-525-3823 We pass along jokes on the Internet; we pass along just about everything. But if you are willing to pass this information along, it could really help someone that you care about.

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Els van Dam
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What great information, Els, and thanks for passing it on.

-- Carey in MA (applauding ...)

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Carey N.

Hi Els,

That made the rounds in NY a few weeks ago and I printed it out and have kept it handy. Thanks for posting it to the group.

Hugs,

Nora

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nora balcer

THanks, Els. This is good information to have.

Katherine

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Katherine

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:36:29 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@coastnet.com (Els van Dam) passed along some useful information :

Our checks show only our last name and city of residence. Some businesses refuse to accept them because they aren't "fully printed"; others refuse our checks because our names on our identification don't match the printed checks. We're in the habit of speaking with the management about such encounters, but we also tend not to revisit a shop that has refused our money.

And then chew on the clerks who do the perfunctory flip-see just to verify somebody wrote something on the signature strip. My favorite line to use is "Were we introduced and I just don't remember? I'm sure you must have me mistaken for someone who signs the backs of their credit cards." I can guarantee that clerk will check everybody's ID all day for several days to come :) Clerks who *pay attention* ask for my identification and are thanked doing so - I never hassle a clerk who does his or her job.

Also note that in the United States it is and (has been for at least

20 years) illegal for any business establishment to demand a credit card as a second form of identification for a check tendered. If a clerk or cashier at a business makes such a demand you should *immediately* demand to speak to the manager on duty and refuse to budge until you have done so. During regular business hours you should also contact the store's general manager, as things like this sometimes have a way of getting "lost" between your mouth and that individual's ear.
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Wooly

You are welcome

Els

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Els van Dam

Great Nora, that means it is working.

Els

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Els van Dam

Yes, only two things, I have never seen anyone write on the back of their credit card "ask for picture ID" Also, I know that most people drive a car, but what do you do when you do not drive.....(I) I guess I beter get some photo ID, I do not want to walk around with my passport for obvious reasons.

Els

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Els van Dam

Though I agree with much of what is in the letter, I also felt compelled to go to Snopes to see what they had to say about it. Here is the gist of their comments:

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of the advice in this added-on preface is worth heeding - leaveyour Social Security number off your checks and list your PO boxaddress rather than your home address. But some of the advice is only half right - rather than providing a work number in place of a home telephone number, we have to ask why either needs to be included. If a merchant requires a phone number, the information can always written on the face of the check at the time of the transaction. Likewise, rather than including only the last four digits of a credit card number in the memo field of the check, a better course of action is to leave that line blank. The preprinted slip the credit card holder returns along with his payment is all the credit card issuer needs to ensure payment is allocated against the correct account.

And one bit of the proffered advice is just plain wrong - listing initials in place of the account holder's first name in the vague hope the issuing bank will spot an improperly signed check is right up there with wishing bread was 39=A2 a loaf. We've seen checks we'd forgotten to sign go through our accounts. If a bank fails to question blank signature lines, it's not up to the task of scrutinizing each signature to see if it matches what it remembers of how that account holder signs his name.

Last updated: 10 June 2003

Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but after a few such posts had me running to share with all friends, I usually check Snopes now before believing anything. Horrible to be so paranoid, but usually the posts I check are in the totally false category. At least this one was not.

Hugs, Susan

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Susan Carey

"Carey N." wrote in news:uprYd.53$jt6.16@trndny07:

in the US there are 3 major credit reporting agencies:

Equifax- fraud alert #- 1-888-766-0008

Experian-1 888 397 3742 (this is a phone maze though) or you can go to thier fraud center

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(sorry about the wrap. personally, i dislike Experian) Trans Union-1 800-680-7289 lee

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enigma

And definately do NOT comply with the demand for a SSN (SIN) as form of ID. This is another one that is illegal in US, and is attempted. In fact, you should not carry your SSN card with you at all.

And then there is the clerk who offered me a pencil (in all seriousness) to sign a check. : (

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Meri

snipped-for-privacy@coastnet.com (Els van Dam) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@dial185.entirety.ca:

i do! i never sign credit cards. however, there are places that refuse to accept cards that say "see ID" without a signature. most states in the US offer photo non-driver IDs, so no need to carry your passport (which is somewhat unsafe from an identity theft standpoint anyway) also, one of the things listed, about putting your initials on checks instead of full name... it doesn't matter. when you set up a checking account, you give them the signature you are going to use. i know a woman who has her full name (Margeret Xxxxxx) on the checks, but her signature is simply "Max". of course, you will run into annoying clerks who wo't accept that, but oh well... i flatten the last 3 letters of my last name into a line when i sign & i've had clerks hand the check back & demand i finish my signature :p my SO has a scribble signature & sometimes it won't go through on those electronic pads at the checkouts, too. that's annoying. another thing everyone should do is shred credit card offers they get in the mail & don't intend to get. theives can pick those out of the trash, change the mailing address & use them to get cards in your name. lee

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enigma

THe funny thing about photo ID is that it often does not resemble the owner very much!

Katherine

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Katherine

I was about to go and check this too, and then saw your post Susan. I usually check Snopes too, because of the number of these that go through my emails.

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Norma

Hi Els,

I have a friend who won't sign her credit card and puts that on it instead. Yes, go to a store that requires a photo ID to purchase things and that's your ID. My DH had to do that last year.

Hugs,

Nora

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Nora Balcer

Els thank you for this info - I am glad I do most of this already - I always have either at home or away a list of numbers to call in case of any loss and keep it is a very safe place( I call it my safety deposit box - you may guess where it is !!!) away from my cards. Cheques are not used here in Australia very much anymore - only in business - I do not have a cheque account any more because if I do I have to pay bank fees, where as my debit card account is free of fees and pays interest !! God Bless Gwen

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Gwendoline Kelly

PO box number only would work if indeed you have a PO box number. We are often asked for much more information then we need to give. I always ask why they want all the info.

Also in Europe when you use your credit card, they demand the number on the other side of your card as well. (at least on my visa card there is another number on the side you sign) They will other wise not accept the payment. I now have seen several merchants in Canada demand that as well, for security reasons.

If my bank would ever cash a cheque I had forgotten to sign, I would sue them, and I have never ever heard of any bank in Canada cashing an unsigned cheque. I do think that most of the items on the posting I passed on are common sense. As a matter of fact I have gotten cheques back I did not date or half filled in, cheques I missspelled the written numbers etc. Maybe the laws in Canada are different from the ones in the States.

But I do think that you never take anything, as I just passed on for granted, but you always check it out first, and see if it is correct and that you agree, that also is common sense, so nobody is a stick in the mud....LOL

Els

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Els van Dam

Most everything with our names and personal information on it, do get threaded through a threader, and if at all possible it ends up in the compost. Otherwise it gets burned. Any plastic cards coming our way, do get cut up in to bits and pieces. Most of it is common sense. If you agree or disagree with the passed on info however does not matter much, what is really good about this messsage, that we are all talking about it, and that will make us all aware to be carefull, and use common sense.

I bet that not to many of us have all the pertinent inportant info close at hand, so if we need to act quickly we can do it right away and phone all the important people to let them know of our loss. At least I will get it all together in an easy place at home.

Els

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Els van Dam

You mean that we look in the photo ID, like we are 29, or like some ogre......LOL

Els

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Els van Dam

Hi Gwen, I hardly use cheques either, and most places, (exept when you mail a cheque out to hydro or the gas company etc., though I pay all our utillity bills in our bank), do not accept cheques anymore. Since we are over 55 we do not have to pay bank fees anymore, sometimes it is nice to be old.....grinning

Els

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Els van Dam

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