Re: VERY OT: funny stuff and LONGISH!!!: knits & nits; purls & Perls

I do not really speak any other languages; well, maybe?

When they should have been working on their grammar, the Gauls were writing poetry, the Irish were singing songs, the Vikings were out whacking, and the Anglo-Saxons were playing elaborate word games. Then, these four languages were warped together to produce English. Modern English did not appear until a thousand years after the Romans left the area. The knitting together continues. English is great for poetry, songs, war, word games, and politics, as proved by President Bush. English is less well suited for concise and precise communications.

Written English is not that far away from a tradition of saying things three times; once for the locals in English, once for the lords in French, and once for the Church in Latin. Thus, English did not have to be precise. Recently, we have dropped out the French and Latin phrases, but we are only gradually learning to speak precisely with less redundancy. Our redundancy makes passages from English shorter in translation.

Think about how many meanings English has for "knit." Knit is a transitive verb, a intransitive verb, a noun, and; we are not even getting into that lousy subject of "nit." English even has words coming out of Celtic-Brythonic-Cornish tradition such as "knit" meaning lead ore. Think about how many words sound like"purl". There is also pearl and Perl. This flexibility leaves English open for word games -- even when we are not "seeking" to play word games. Suppose we are talking on the telephone, and I ask if you have used, "the Perl sock program." Nothing in English grammar or pronunciation tells you that I am talking about

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that writes individualized sockpatterns because it is written in a computer language known as Perl.In contrast, Hebrew was a mature language when the Romans arrived. Sure, ithas changed since then, but Hebrew is an old language. Yiddish in contrast,retains the quirks of youth. Note that Sholom Aleichem wrote in Yiddish andnot Hebrew. I might add that Dutch in another "young" language. Aaron

Aaron ,,,, Do you speak any other language ? > Dutch is a Very Funny Langugae as well ,,, and Hebrew ,,,,, since we > whave Vowels seprate from letters , you can read many words in more > than one way ,,,[of course Hebrew readers know by the sentence waht it > means ,,, but in a puzzle it can add to the Brain work needed. Also > the language being SHORTER than , A translation from English will be > about 2/3 in quantity ......But i think our biggest fun are the many > mistranslations ,,,, Ps did you know that English has Hebrew roots in > it ?? dating back of course to the King James translation of the Bible > !!! > mirjam > > > >English is a FUN language. English is to language what surfing is to > >sports. > >Aaron > >> Have you ever spoken and wished that you could > >> immediately take the words back...or that you could > >> crawl into a hole? Here are the Testimonials of a few > >> people who did....

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<agres
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Okay, I *have* to ask..... Aaron, are you a writer? You speak (write) eloquently, and very detailed.

Gemini

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MRH

Nope! Can't spell ! My penmanship still makes my parents despair! Then, I flunked typing class (in 1963.) : )

What you see is way too much practice answering email, while sitting in a dark little office, at an undisclosed location. Now, I have a nice window office at home, and I can see tulips, daffodils, calendula, nectarines, sweet alyssum, rosemary, and pears, all in bloom right now; and, I am having a heck of a time focusing on what I should be doing. My real job is pollution prevention and industrial ecology - Currently, recovery of high quality protein from agricultural waste.

Thanks anyway! I keep thinking that I should try to get more stuff published, but somehow the posts to RCTY seem to be among the best of my writing.

Aaron

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<agres

Aaron thank you for a very ammusing letter about English and it`s sources etc... Alas your assumption that it is not very suited for communication, falls apart, by the mere fact that it is one of the Most International Languges used for communication, Not only because of the many countries who were under British Rule, But mainly Becuase in spite of some of the not easy parts of it`s grammar , it is Just Easy and smooth to communicate in. I do advise you to read some of the books about Discourse in English Both By David Glass and Ian Renemeka , As To President Bush he speaks American , which wanting or not is a slight different from English. The possibility to play games with various parts of the langgugae, is not an indication to it`s being a communicative language or not, it just is a Natural result of a language`s development. After all People make New words as a result from activities or need to have a new word.

AS to what you write about Hebrew, I really have no clue where you got your facts from ? Hebrew grew and added some other parts into it just like any living Language, When under Greek rule it took in Grek words , it took in Armean words , Latin words were absorbed but not much liked due to the circustances and the historical events. When in the Diaspora the Hebrew was kept alive more as a HOLY language to be used to read the Tanach And Talmud ,, not so much for daily life. With the return to Israel , more modern words were formed and made , since Biblical life had no Cars or lifts or .... The modern words were based on the biblical words, The grammar stayed the same. And now to your last and excuse me Strangest statement .... Shalom Aleychem [=a Hebrew Expression !!!for his literary name] Wrote in Yiddish and not Hebrew Becuase that was his Daily Langugae , as well as the daily language his readers spoke and read in. My maternal Grandfather who was a Langugae teacher and taught 8 languages , taught Hebrew as well , But at home they Spoke Russian , Polish , German,Dutch and French . Yidish if anything is the langugae of the Old and mature , who have seen it all and know that life is hard , There is Nothing Youthful about Yiddish , and what you call quirks of the youth is really the wisdom and cynicism of those who suffered , worked hard all their life, and know luck isn`t on their side. Aha Yes, Dutch a young Language, excuse me ..... it is being renewed and it adds words ,,, But there i know a professor for Antique languages whose main expertise is Antique Dutch [ baffled me at first as well .] For Example i have no trouble reading OLD German Texts. Which are very close to Dutch ,, or haven`t you noticed that the word Dutch in fact MeansGerman ? So thank you again for your rather amusing letter. mirjam

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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen

English is a certainly a good language to comunicate love and funny stuff, but it is time it with the new word - "S.E.X., E."

(Stash Enhancement eXpedition, Electronic)

Aaron

This thread is about funny stuff. SNIP

Reply to
<agres

Well, Aaron... that was pretty sexE of you to come up with that, LOL! Noreen

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YarnWright

S.E.X., E. is the right word for buying yarn online. After all, buying yarn without touching, feeling, and sniffing it is a dangerous activity. S.E.X., E. is not for children. No indeed, you need a credit card. : )

Aaron

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<agres

Your window office sounds very nice. I love looking out the window beside the computer and watching the birds, squirrels, flowers in bloom, and butterflies in the summer... and of course the sun going slowly by as the day goes on (it is a south-facing window). ;o)

Gemini

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MRH

Sorry I don`t get this answer? if you mean the language lacks words , than time and Usage will coin them . We here have an Academie devoted to make New words. English Being not really [Usagewise] One Language , but having many variaties over the world [American , Pigmy English etc..] , is an extremely Adaptive langugae ... mirjam

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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen

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