OT : A small update

For all of you that know our unemployment problem, there is light at the end of the tunnel. It's a small light, but a lightnone the less. We filed appeal letters, never heard nothing, calls ot returned, nobody knew nothing. So last Friday, we got official letters, with a hearing date, of Aug 6th. 2 thigs, one of which is that we are already "in trouble" with the old and new company. When we wrote the appeal letters, we told every last dirty little secret and some of it was stuff all the players didn't know about each other and didn't know the others were doing. when I say I told everything I mean EVERYTHING ! So did my sister. Some of the other ladies that work there live in the same apt complex we do and they are behaving VERY strangely toward us. Self preservation is a hard thing to have to do. We had to reveal to everyone how mean and tuff we could be and how all the interplay of relationsbetween all of their family members has been a sham. I hate all this ... wouldn't do it at all if I hadn;t been so pushed. To demonstrate how these people lie to us and to each other, we had to reveal family secrets that we never should have. Secondly, we don't know what their stance will be and what they will try to pull. These people are very clever at appearing blameless in any crisis, even when they are at fault. I have known them for 10 years, and know how they operate. I don't know how able I will be to defend myself. Because of his live in girlfriend having been office mgr, just before weleft, we are concerned that she will be included at the hearing.It is she I most fear. She is extremely crafty. The best that could happen is that we cause her to "go off" in front of the mediator. She has a history of beinhg a "screaming head". In fact, this behavior of hers, was in part, why we quit. One day in the bank a very minor thing happened and she went off at the teller for nothing. I think she will be very guarded and will be in control, but I know her well enough to push her button. I also have a surprise about her, unknown to him, which I could use if it became necessary. It's a doozie ! Every job I have gotten on the spot,I lose as soon as they check any reference thru him and he is al I have. Even Target. And i was going to be hired for tock clerk and as soon as they check my reference, I was out. Look, I am not out for blood, just the money I am owed and for him to disavow the covenent I signed, and to prevent him from telling people I qualify as "town sonofabitch". He is preventing us from working. We spoke to a lawyer and he told us these things won't hold up, especially like in our case where this is our only really salable job skill. hat he has done when people call is o say he has this agreement with us and he doesn't explain it. We have lost opportunities because of this, where he hasn't exactly lied, but didn't tell the truth exactly. He is minly using it as punishment for us leaving. So a fried of ours called him for a job reference and now we have evidence of what he is saying. How much of that we wil be able to use, remains to be seen. I am not saying i am a whimp, butjust having to do all this has really damaged me psychologically. I do not think I should have had to and I don;t like having to poke anyone with a fork, so to speak, for my greater survival. I don't like having to have become devious and thinking these negative thoughts 24/7. Yes, what he did was not right, I know that. Yes he needs to pay for it. But I hae that I know he is going to lie and I am going to have to pull out some ammo he doesn't know I have .... I should not have to be as devious as he, as that is not my way at all. One thing I am glad of is all the folks who have sent me encouraging thoughts, and the ability I had to let all my beaded art work go to pay off the bills, and for being ok for the moment. We suddeny recieved a resource to pay our rent and expenss that will last thru Oct, We are taking a break in the job hunting this week, although I did look in Sunday's paper and made some more calls, we are resting this week. Going out in 110 degrees on the bus everyday has been very debillitating. So this is what I am asking today ... on Aug 6th at 1:30p again @ 230p PST, I need all of you to shine all of your positive light on us. Send all your thoughts directed at him and her for silence or truth, and to us for sucess. We most fear that they are going to bring the wole damn family for support and we will ave to verbally fight them all. Than God, I have had my jewelry to fall back on ! We would surely not have a home without the sacrifice sales ! Rainbow

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rainbow
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Hi Rainbow,

You really, really, really need to have someone there to represent you at the mediation. Otherwise, what will be noticed is your anger instead of their misdeeds. You need someone to state your case dispassionately.

A lawyer would be good. A relationship counsellor might be a good choice too. We also got good help from an advocacy group with my husband's Workers' Comp case. And there is a more general advocacy group PERG or PARG, usually with state initials at the front. I forget what it stands for; it was developed by Ralph Nader.

I'll be thinking of you.

Tina

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Christina Peterson

They actually tell you in the literature you get, that very few people bring lawyers. The lawyer was not there, and cannot be trained in how it was n a few dhort days. It migh actually harm me more than help me to have someone there who can't portray it like it was. I cannot afford a lawyer and free legal aid here doesn't accept unemployment caes. I already checkd it out. My personal demeanor in front of people and in a situation like this would be different than in this forum. Despite dounding anfry here, I know I won't in person, It is not like me at all, In fact, if i wanted to I could be picking a fight with former employees all day long around here, because so many live around here. So far we have been as quiet as little mice. We haven't said a word or confronted anyone. I sat quietly for 3 years in that office and never said a cross word. Nobody even knew I was angry. He ws so surprised that I quit, and I know he has said that I never gave any indication of being uset. I didn't. On the day he fired out supervisor, he and another employee were stunned speechless to see me in agreedment. As crazy as she was, I never said a word, and it wasn't till she was out the door that I told what I knew. I was said that I as a GREAT actress. Everyone was stunned. I intend on playing the role of one harmed, and be quite meek. Anger will not get me anything. AfterI win ( positivity rules ! ) Then I can tell them what jerks they are. Actually don't have to , they already know what they are ! I know you are trying to help. We are preparing a statement and a cheat sheet. Rainbow

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rainbow

Good advice, IMO.

Is the hearing a mediation, where the disputing parties frame their own agreement, or arbitration, where the facilitator(s) make the decision about the outcome?

Deirdre (who is seriously c>Hi Rainbow,

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Deirdre S.

I agree.

Tina

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Christina Peterson

Sorry for the big words. I was raised on them, like some folks were raised on oatmeal and mac-and-cheese.

Good luck with the arbitration, then. May the decision-maker offer you a favorable outcome after hearing everyone out.

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

Thanks for the good wishes. I really lean toward the idea of resolving things in a non-adversarial way, especially where everyone involved in the dispute gets to work on the terms of the resolution.

I'd love to hear more about your experiences, if you are willing to share some details about what you did, how it worked, and also when it didn't work...

What seemed to be the necessary ingredients of a good resolution?

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

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