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It's a shame you've driven her off. She would have been a great contributor. The point of a worldwide community like Usenet is FREEDOM! We have enough rules and laws in everyday life. There are other Usenet forums where she was accepted warmly. Keep your elitist beading cult here to yourselves.

Maelstrom

Elaine -

Most of us have taken a misstep in a newsgroup at our early stages. We've had our tailfeathers singed and we've learned from that. Kathy's response was direct not nasty. I can tell you dear, I've been the target for nasty so I KNOW what that is.

Stick around for a while. Lurk if you'd like. Get a taste for the different people here. You'll find they are a terrific bunch of people.

And perhaps you'll learn not to cross-post. Each group is different - the rules as well as the readers. I don't read marketplace groups. I get enough ads on TV and in my Hotmail account without subjecting myself to a newsgroup that is meant for that purpose. I've found the the small number of ads here are just fine with me. I usually visit the site just to see if it's something I want/need.

Peace to everyone

(I doubt if Elaine will read this. I am NOT cross-posting it to RCM.She said she's leaving us so................)

Yes, isn't it great? Lazulite looks lovely, I'll need to track down a nice affordable piece for my collection :-)

"Mj" wrote in news:A9idnbxrLpU3b7PdRVn- snipped-for-privacy@scnresearch.com:

I think this is unnecessary and provoking...

I consider what you said to be flaming someone.. not the other way around. What Kathy said was for Elaine to do her homework. This seems like common-sense to me, and personally, I don't understand why you didn't give her some pointers BEFORE she posted here if you recommended n/g's to her..

This is the coolest n/g I have ever seen. The vibe here is amazing. I have seen only once, in the relatively short time I have been posting here, a thread get slightly out of hand.

I think you have taken Elaines' post in the wrong way. :-(

It seems like wisdom to lurk for a while to get the feel of the n/g.. Do you ever go somewhere (say, a club or bar) and just bowl in, boots and all, without getting a feel for the place?

Lurking is what most have been suggesting..

Mavis

Heh, heh, heh. People say "witch" like it was a BAD thing. Pardon me while I go tune up my broom. :-D

Arondelle

" I didn't see any of the "Very co-operative, eager to help" you described. I am saddened that beaders would stoop to such terrorism."

Thank you all for your patience and your helpfulness and support. I lurked and was a little afraid, however, I jumped in a little at a time. I enjoy the different personalities and opinions. I have learned quite a bit and have changed my views accordingly.

Bottom line: I think you guys are great, warts and all.

Hugs to all

I totally agree with you Sooz

You don't seem to understand that she spammed a newsgroup...under your tutelage. If you are so experienced in ng's then you should have educated her in what is appropriate and what is not.

It is unfortunate to think that she might have been a great contributor, but she set off on the wrong foot, and when it was pointed out, the pouting started.

No one is perfect, but she straight away blamed the lack of a manual for how to use newsgroups, rather than admitting that she should have lurked...even for one day...to see how newsgroups operate.

Nowhere has she been flamed on the group. I went back and read every message in the thread. Nope, not even a spark, never mind a flame.

She was educated in what is appropriate ng behavior, and chose to pout and blame.

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:32:40 -0500, JL Amerson wrote (in message ):

I'm not losing any sleep over it. I feel bad that Elaine has so little self confidence that she leaves when someone points out that she's doing the wrong thing. It's even worse because she has someone convincing her that following netiquette is a bad thing.

What a shame. If my telling someone the lay of the land upsets them that thoroughly, I cannot imagine their making it through the tougher portions of life.

Kathy N-V, Newgroup Terrorist

P.S.: I just love that! Obviously the second poster, "Maelstrom" hasn't been around that long because of a couple of things - he advised someone not to lurk, but to jump right into a group with ads, he doesn't seem to know Usenet history (all the negative consequences I mentioned have happened to people I know) and he tries to hide behind a pseudonym. All the real veterans of Usenet know better.

I love the things you have to say about education and share many of your interests. Plants, herbs, animals, ecology. I am a conservationist and traditionalist, and a hunter and gatherer. I am fascinated by ethnobotany! and in anthropology in general. I was always good at math, but computers drive me crazy. I love physics, but don't care for chemistry, and have had the privelege of knowing some amazing people in space exploration, and mechanical innovation. I'm not much onto astrology or mythology, but am into Shamanism, journeying, Reiki, "energy manipulation". I do a little in martial arts, the soft arts like Tai Chi, Aikido, Qi Gung. I love to travel and my granddaughter was born in Ukaraine (as was her mother).

I have rocks too. I have a small mammoth tooth and mastadon tooth, which had been found during mining operations here in Alaska. There's a woman down by Anchorage who I get most of my most interesting rocks from. And a man in Anchoage with a mine in the Brooks Range who I got some wonderful minerals, and stones from. And everywhere I go I get more rocks/stones crystals.

Another major interest for me is mental health, especially since I have become disabled by the brain exhaustion of Depression. Fortunately, through therapy I have worked my way through the melancholy part of Depression. Part of my Depression was long standing Co-Dependence

But I want to address the first half of your post, too. This is the second time you have used a post of mine, which had been intended as friendly, as a jumping off point for being angry. I'm aware that the anger in it isn't addressed to me. Because I work at not taking things personally.

In my earlier post, I just didn't want you to to be posting something incorrect. And just as honestly, I know stones quite well, though not as well as you obviously, and if it appears to me that something is off about the stone or its name, it probably will appear that way to many others. And so you should learn from this that more description is needed that just to call something "genuine", including when it is. That's part of marketting. That's the kind of thing you can benefit from learning so you can sell more. All of us can. That's not a put down, just a marketting tip.

So tell me, what does this post here mean? I know you apologized. There's no problem or rejection of your apology, or need to keep apologizing again. Relax.

When I posted my last post after you said you had been treated harshly, I looked up all the posts to you, and found no harsh treatment. Since you, and maelstrom, came back with anger, I'm am finding that you are getting some unvarnished truth and impatience that you must find uncomfortable.

Who has flamed you and how? Why do you feel insulted? Why do you feel criticized instead of helped? Why don't you see any co-operative and eager to help, when that was exactly what I was doing?

And, terrorism? I would think that Americans would have a better understanding of what terrorism is now. And honey, this ain't it. Shirley did tell you what "terrorism" has resulted from spamming (unauthorized advertising) as a lesson about why it's important not to do it even inadvertantly. In other places, I have been flamed. I have been threatened. Just for disagreeing with someone, or making a claim that wasn't believed. You are not being treated roughly, and especially noone is intentionally hurting you.

Elaine,you haven't been insulted. If you are so sensitive that being corrected and educated feels like an insult to you, you got some major issues to work out. And if you think that's an insult, well, we all have issues to work with. You can run around throwing away your energy on defensiveness. It's just a poor choice. It's also a pain in the ass, but if you want the right to be sensitive, emotional, intense and to take everything personally, you have to give everyone the right to do so too (that's the pain in the ass part). Then you would really be finding you had started a major flame war.

Kathy's post was not a threat. Kathy was not resentful -- she's pretty pragmatic and was telling you facts, telling you the definition of spamming, and the dangers, the possible violent results that can come of it, not "directing emotion" at you. Her advise is generally very valued here in this group because of the accuracy of her information. She has helped many people get through red tape to get to the heart of a solution when people get the run around. She is an accurate and honest person. But she is also pragnatic and does not direct things in a pesonal manner.

About lurking. Yeah, that's a ticklish one. In daily conversation "lurking" is something bad. And in some groups "lurkers" are those people who sit at the edges and lurk and never seem to say anything unless it's a disagreement. It's used here in the same way you'd hear it in 12 Step programs. -- Come to meetings, but listen before you talk, so you'll know more about how things work.

Anyway, girl, come join the party here. Or e-mail me any time.

Tina

I didn't get angry. I'm fine. I was being equally friendly to you. Kathy's email and post came across very harsh to my bf and I. It was like she was threatening me with the "terrorism" Shirley described. It felt like I walked in and disturbed a whole hive of wasps. I'd rather just step away from such an unstable situation with my whiskers intact so to speak. I've found other groups to be involved in now. Perhaps I'll come back, but probably not. The whole situation is water under the bridge now. Friends?

Ok, back to friendly talk, Alaska has always sounded wonderful to me. I'm hoping to go on a cruise there for my honeymoon whenever that may be (my bf has hinted it may be after college *grin*). I took Tai Kwan Do for about a year when I was in junior high and have my green belt (though I can win hands down against high rung red belts even today). I would probably have my black belt if it wasn't for my vertigo and asthma.

Speaking of math, where were you when I had to do quadratics? Ugh, I hated those and no matter how hard I tried it never worked. I'm ok with normal math and such, but ask me to do something harder than simple trig and I'm lost. Computers are sooo much easier for me, I even did my whole site in HTML from scratch and help build the computer I'm using.

Astrology is fascinating, I've found that by delving into it I know myself more fully than I ever imagined. I value self-knowledge so it's perfect for me. In case you're curious, I'm a Scorpio, hence why I can be so emotional based. I can go from sad to angry to happy in less than a minute depending on the situation. My bf is on the Pisces/Aries cusp and can be very protective of me. One can learn a great deal about someone just by their sign. If you're familiar with Eastern astrology I'm a water dog and my bf's a fire snake. What's your sign? I also read tarot and runes. Another hobby of mine is learning Romanian (which is very slow going).

Elaine

Elaine,

Sweetie - we can be friends. But please try not to cross-post. You seem to be responding to posts from the other group and although it's great to read about these things, it feels like I've stepped into the middle of a conversation when in fact I've been reading this thread all along.

Just so you know you are not alone - I too am a fellow Scorpio and I know all too well that we are emaotionally charged people. I've often said if you aren't going to be born a Scorpio, why bother being born? ;-)

Thank you, Kathy. As usual, you have a wonderful way with words. :) Rock on!!

Uh huh. I smell troll sweat. If you cared one whit for your "friend" you would have explained the general guidelines that most newsgroups follow these days, and perhaps helped her research how to sell beadwork. Which by the way she should not be doing if she just started it. Get good at something before trying to sell it. Sheesh. I doubt very much you're a Usenet veteran - but you sound like a troll to me. And if you don't know what a troll is, you haven't been reading on Usenet for more than a week.

Totally. I love it when people use the term witch to try and insult someone. It's laughable and ridiculous. Being a witch is a wonderful thing.

Exactly. Because it's just so damned hard to find information on the internet these days!!! LOL

Well, I for one would like all spammers to go away. Nurturing and advice I will give to someone who truly deserves it - not someone who jumps in, spams and then gets pissy when people call them on it. There are plenty of people who read a bit of a group, then come in and ask questions and solicit advice. That's fine. People who have never read any newsgroup postings at all and then post an ad that is really very inappropriate do not deserve advice and nurturing in the very place they showed such little respect.

It's a shame you've driven her off. She would have been a great contributor. The point of a worldwide community like Usenet is FREEDOM!>

nobody drover her off

she just took things too sensitive -- most people only posted concise summaries of where she blundered - nobody called her names... she then turned and called us all names and ran away.

just when I was going to post how intersting the Lazurite was..

oh well....

Cheryl last semester of lawschool! yipee! DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass

From: Maelstrom snipped-for-privacy@blah.com

hey fella - shove off-- won't even post his email

talk about terrorism.... LOL

Cheryl last semester of lawschool! yipee! DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass