OT: GOOD NEWS!

Grey skies are gonna clear up!! heehee.. putting on a happy face for you and M. whoohooo! Diana

That is good news indeed. I'm happy for you both!

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 0:24:08 -0400, Kalera Stratton wrote (in message ):

Every employer has to deal with these kinds of negotiations, and electricians make good money. I would probably approach it as mentioning that I normally charge $XXX/hour for part time consulting, but I want to be fair to the company. I understand that the economy is tight (blah, blah, blah), and that a full time position would involve benefits and so forth.

Then I'd ask them how that fit into their budget. I suspect that they'll offer him something inbetween his part time and full time rates. Or they'll say "We're paying the other guy $XX,XXX and we had that in mind."

It would be wonderful if you could find out what they're paying the other guy. If Moxley met them through an agency, they'll have that information, and will give him a salary range at least. If not, Moxley should be able to ask around (If he doesn't know someone in your area, let me know. My adopted brother lives in Portland, and runs a huge IT department. He'll know the going rate).

He is likely NOT going to get his part time rate - it just doesn't work that way. Most companies, especially in a down economy, put a lot of stock in benefits and do their best to bargain down salary. If things are as bad as I hear in Portland, he's going to have to tread a little lightly to make sure they don't freak.

An awesome bargaining chip would be for Moxley to offer to learn their off the wall computer language. Once you know a couple of computer languages, it's a big nothing to learn another. (If I actually counted, I'd bet I know a good dozen languages. None took more than a week or two to learn after I learned the first few) It will make the company feel much more secure to have more than one person know their system. That way, if the other guy doesn't work out or bails, they'll be all right.

But I'd still negotiate hard for an employment contract (to help prevent a layoff), extra vacation time, and little/no contribution for family health insurance. Even when unemployment was hellish here in Boston a couple of years ago, I always got at least that. I would approach it as "I think your company is terrific, and I think that we're a great fit, but I have to consider my family's needs. If I give up my consulting business, I need to make sure that my job is secure."

Did Moxley contact the guy, or did the guy call him? If it's the latter, the odds of getting a check are a lot better. Too bad that Moxley didn't offer to go get the check that moment while he had the guy on the phone.

Kathy N-V

That's great news, Kalera!! I was thinking about asking last night but since you guys don't know me very well, I didn't want to appear nosey.:)

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Yey!!! That sounds very positive!

Yea! I'll keep those vibes a coming Kalera until this pay issue resolved. Moxley must be so pumped!

WOOHOO! It all sounds great! I'm so happy for both of you!

Cheri (Bubbee to Emily and Nathan)

YAY!!!!

OMTP, clap, clap, clap!!!

.Stephanie.

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Hot damn!

THINGS GOT EVEN BETTER!

I am hardly believing this right now, but A: that guy's check showed up in the mail today, and B: (this is a big one, I'm beside myself) THE OTHER GUY DIDN'T TAKE THE JOB.

They offered it to Moxley. OK, on a two-week trial to see if he can handle it. I KNOW he can handle it... he taught himself Java under very similar circumstances. He's a programming language junkie... he learns new ones just for fun. He knows assembly language, which apparently the guy in the interview thought was hilarious. He's been learning LISP this week, just for kicks. He knows C, C++, every scripting language I've ever heard of, Java, Python, and of course Basic and assembly. I don't know what the heck STRUTS is, but I am sure he'll pick it up in no time flat.

OK, I have to go lie down now. I'm going to faint from the excitement. Kathy, your advice ROCKS. I am going to make him read this.

-Kalera

Kathy N-V wrote:

OMG! Jumping up and down in excitement with you! This is great news! I'm a programming junky too and once you learn two or three you get the hang of new ones easily like Kathy said. I'm sure Moxley will have no problems.

Yeah for both of you!

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 1:45:41 -0400, Kalera Stratton wrote (in message ):

Astonishing. Cash it quickly, and don't spend a dime of it until you're sure the check is good. Call his bank first to make sure the funds are there. (I don't trust slow paying customers)

I'd be dying to know why. My nosiness factor would be going crazy by now.

I know he can do it as well. It's one of those skills that once you know a few languages, the rest just make sense. A lot like spoken foreign languages, really.

I'm cheering aloud in my bead room as loudly as I would if I heard the dreaded Yankees were disbanded and the Red Sox won the Series in perpetuity! (Better shush since everyone else is asleep with colds and sinus infections)

Oh hooray! This is SO good for your family, and you'll sleep so much better, knowing that there's that regular paycheck in the wings. Plus the benefits. Oh! I'm delighted beyond belief.

Yee-Haw!

Kathy N-V (who would look ridiculous as a cheerleader, even though I already have the pom-poms.)

All is as it should be.

Kalera, Great news about Moxley's position! Congratulations to both of you!!! Hang in there, things are definitely turning around for you. Patti

Then celebrate!!! And enjoy!!!!!

.Stephanie.

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Thanks Kathy, and everyone else! :D :D :D

No benefits yet... it's a contracted position. A permanent position does open in January, though, and they have mentioned it several times. Eeeee!

I don't know why the other guy didn't accept the ojb, but I'm guessing it's because of the payscale. The thing about contracting, as you know, is that if the work it there you can make over $100/hour. This position is only $40/hour. Moxley is ready for a steady paycheck, but for a guy without a family (and lots of these programmer guys are single, surprise) going for more money right now over stability later is pretty typical. I'm just guessing the other guy had a better offer, and isn't terribly interested in the possibility of future full-time regular employment with benefits.

Now I want to see a pic of you with the pom-poms... :D

-Kalera

Kathy N-V wrote:

Yeah. I dated a carpenter who chose full time employment over working as called out of the union office. Much better for a family man.

Can Moxley work for himself also? And does the company automatically own any intellectual property he produces during the period of his employment?

Tina

Yes and no, respectively. He can continue working on his own projects, and he owns them.

-Kalera

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