OT: What is the deal with The Expert?

OK, this is gonna sound sexist... but what in the heck is the deal with guys (and it's almost ALWAYS a guy!) who have nothing whatsoever to say about anything, until someone asks a technical question or a technical question comes up, and then they come out of the woodwork with The One True And Only Right Answer, which is usually A: wrong, B: inapplicable, or C: one of several options, although they present it as if everyone else is wrong?

These are the gus who never participate in normal conversation, never share new techniques they've discovered, and for certain, no one has ever seen a stitch of their work. Yet somehow, they have all the answers, to the point of "correcting" people who aren't wrong in the first place!

Obviously, I'm not talking about anyone here, but does anyone know the kind of thing I'm talking about? It's both irritating and amusing. As a younger woman, I get it a LOT, and it drives me nuts.

I'm also kind of frustrated with, not men, but our male-oriented culture, right now, because the real estate agent a couple of my friends recommended has an infuriating habit of addressing my husband, not me, about issues involving the repairs a home may require, like plumbing, lighting, etc. even though I am the person who called initially, has communicated our needs, and in general am his main contact. My friends are both men, so of course they didn't know about this habit, but if he doesn't stop it I'm firing him. My husband is A: a programmer, not a handyman, and B: doesn't care. I, on the other hand, am a plumbing expert with a lighting and houseparts company, and if he thinks someone might be interested in a cracked waste stack, he should address his concerns toward me because my husband doesn't even know what those words MEAN. The fact that Moxley just looks confused, and I say, "Oh, I can fix that", should have tipped him off! OTOH, If he wants to discuss the advantages of the PHP 5 upgrade, Moxley's his man.

'K, just had to vent! All done now, and much better.

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Kalera Stratton
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 2:47:13 -0400, Dr. Sooz wrote (in message ):

I get it all the time as well, whenever I'm out in my wheelchair. At Disney World last fall, one of the monorail conductors kept referring to me in the third person and as "a special." As in, "Hey, you guys wanna bring that special down here so we can bolt her down?"

I was overwhelmed with gratitude at her enlightened attitude.

What do I have to do to become "a Very Special?"

Kathy N-V

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Kathy N-V

That's horrid, though it doesn't surprise me. I'm not a big fan of The Mouse and his gang.

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Tink

I cant tell you how many times my ex would totally ignore or dismiss my solutions a to a problem until enough time had elapsed and he could tell someone it was his own idea. I have had men take screw drivers or hammers right out of my hand because it looked like I was having problems with it. Grrrr. On the other hand, my husband *current* wanted to fix his pants, using my sewing machine, and I cringed and wanted to do it for him. I wasnt sure he could handle the task without breaking the machine, or sewing over his fingers. He did fine. Diana

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Diana Curtis

The special?? Makes you sound like something on a menu! Couldnt they use a bit more imagination and just address you as they lady in the chair? Gah. At least they recognized you as *being* special, but it doesnt have anything to do with the chair. To become a *very special* all you have to do is donate one of your bracelets to me. I will then tell everyone about the Very Special Lady who made it. Diana

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Diana Curtis

Stephen Hawking. No need to say more.

Evalynne

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Beadesignr

One of the things I read during my phase of reading "how to act like a man at work" (aka "how not to saboutage your job by acting like a woman, God/dess forbid, in the workplace...) type books, is that women and men's communication styles are different. Men just say "This is the way it is," whereas women tend to say "Excuse me, may I say something? I have noticed that it seems to be thus and such a way..." and then we get frustrated when people (men) don't listen. LOLOL. So while I have no doubt the dude that prompted you to write this was wrong, there is also the added irritation of him not following your communication rules.

Well just to play devil's advocate I know plenty of women like this too and it's irritating no matter who does it.

What *really* ticks me off is that, as an older woman, I still get it. Even with people I've worked w/10 or 15 years. My favorite button is when they said, "Have you ever heard of..." and I'm like "Well, yes." and they go "Really???" with their eyes wide open. "How do *you* know about this?" I have several favorite responses but mostly they are along the lines of "Why would you ASS-ume I didn't." Sometimes it's because they know I love art so they assume I never studied anything else... (when it's the everything else that "feeds" your art...)

But inside I get really ticked off at yet another person underestimating me. I don't think I have *ever* said to someone what guys tend to say to me, like they're shocked I would know a certain subject. Harumph!

My favorite response to this is "In this country you are allowed to speak to the woman." Or my second favorite is, "Oh! You must be from out of town. Speak to me. I am the ___________ [resident expert on that subject, etc.]" With a huge smile.

You should really say something to him first. Telling him you're the expert and you're making the decision and your husband will certainly not be offended if he addresses you as such. And you can tell your husband to communicate that as well, by gesturing for the man to speak to you, asking you what you think, or even telling the guy that this is more your area of expertise and he's mainly there for support. This women's commun. style I mentioned has a big "frustration" component attached to the end of it because we stew instead of setting people straight about what we expect. :-)

Mary T. 8-)

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Mary Tafoya

Excellent post, Louis - sounds like holy writ to me! :) Seriously - this does explain quite a few things. Like why my husband loves to correct me and loves to get into intellectual debates. That just tires me out. Of course, I *can* be competitive, but I would rather just get along. ;)

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Kandice Seeber

I *like* that!

Seconded. Give the dude a chance to fix the problem first. If he doesn't, or worse yet, if he doesn't see that there *is* a problem, THEN fire him.

Celine

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Lee S. Billings

Thirded. You never know; maybe the client he had just before you read him the riot act because he did the exact opposite, and said something like "Don't talk to me about that; that's guy stuff. Talk to him!"

Laura

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laura

Nice vent. And I really hear you. Of course, a lesbian couple like G. and me would undoubtedly leave him totally befuddled. Who would he talk to if neither one of his potential buyers was a man?

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

Yup.

Tina

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Christina Peterson

But why not say more? Like FDR, or Christopher Reeve.

Or one of my co-workers at Hennepin County Library, who used to win wheelchair marathons, and got a Good Citizen award from the local TV station for saving a neighbor from drowning in the lake they both lived near.

Hearing a call for help from the water, this guy rolled himself to the end of the dock, and since no one else was in sight or earshot at the time, he tipped himself into the lake, swam to where his neighbor was struggling and then got them both ashore by swimming with only his arms and towing the other fellow by gripping his clothing in his teeth.

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

This is a useful way of looking at it.

"Ask for what you want" is nothing like "Force people to give you what you want" and yet we often behave as if the two were only a hair's breadth apart.

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

Touche'...

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

Excellent solution. No more bugging from us, either.

Deirdre

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Deirdre S.

getting better, I can tell. Why do you think they call them "nags"? Sarajane

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Sjpolyclay

I can recommend Merry Maids. They're bonded, and they do good work -- I have them in once a year to spiff things up for Chocolate Decadence.

Celine

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Lee S. Billings
****sigh**** This just gets me. How dare they? Well, of course, I know that they dare - I have been approached by countless religious persons claiming to want to help me save myself from whatever. And how tactless to ask you what would happen if you died "in there". Sheesh. It's awful that hospitals even let complete strangers go into your room and touch you with their oils and asking you about "sins" and such. Don't they have any respect for privacy at all?
Reply to
Kandice Seeber

I absolutely hated the Mars/Venus book that I read several years ago. My mom thought I would like it and got it for me for my birthday (to which my dad said "Just remember, I didn't give you this book - your mother did" LOL). I was immediately disgusted with all the generalizations and assumptions that all women and men react the same to all situations. I immediately got rid of the book, and then a year later my mom wanted to borrow it. I told her as nicely as I could that it sucked rocks and that she didn't need that kind of advice. :)

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Kandice Seeber

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