Re: OT Re: Going to be gone UPDATE

It should be noted here that the inability to entertain *some* points of view is not the same as the inability to entertain *any* other point of view. For example, I would never WANT to be able to understand the reasoning that would lead someone to join the KKK, or to lock their child in a closet for hours.

Celine

Being overly controlling. Being insecure. And very often a result of PTSD.

Tina

No one with functional tastebuds eats lutefisk unless it is on a dare.

Deirdre

Here we differ, then. Because I -do- want to understand those things, However, I would never want to -be- the person experiencing those points of view, or feeling justified in taking those actions.

I see all the evidence that such people exist, I feel the effects of their presence in the world, directly and indirectly ... and I know that the world we co-habit isn't going to become more liveable for me and the people I like until fewer and fewer people take steps blindly in the direction of hate and harm, and more and more choose different paths instead.

That means I want to understand the haters and the harmers, and what creates them. Even more, I want to understand what would have to change in order to reduce the hate and the harm and allow something different to take its place.

Deirdre

Celine, the truly awful thing is that sometimes the closet can be a very safe place, by comparison. Sarajane

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Damn right... and appallingly true.

Deirdre

I don't recall which was the first in the series--all stand alone, but tie in with references. Try to find the first one if you can, maybe by publication date? I went back and forth with whatever the library had available at the time, and that worked ok too.

The people involved are all Characters with a capitol C and form their own family unit out of the outcasts that they all are. Good Badguys, who get the Bad Badguys in the end. Sarajane

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comeatspam (Sjpolyclay) :

]I don't recall which was the first in the series--all stand alone, but tie in ]with references. Try to find the first one if you can, maybe by publication ]date? I went back and forth with whatever the library had available at the ]time, and that worked ok too.

have them listed by copyright date.

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cool!! Thanks, Vicki! Sarajane

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comeatspam (Sjpolyclay) :

]cool!! Thanks, Vicki!

any time **grin**

i was just showing the site to our local librarian while i was signing up to volunteer to work with the Bookmobile.

[like i didn't have anything else to do!]

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I too am interested in pathology. Sometimes we have a related experience we don't recognize. My mother was abusive (unintentionally), but would never normally be seen as such. But reading more extreme accounts of abuse and their effects, showed me that these same effects in me were also caused by abuse. Once I understand that I can overcome a lot of the damage. Recognizing pathological behaviour also helps me help myself and others recognize harmful behaviours and refuse to be victimized by it.

Tina

Me too. Had I gone to medical school, I would have been a reconstructive surgeon or a forensic pathologist. Sarajane

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A few folks actually like it. But only a tiny few. I honestly think it is like a kid eating a worm to impress his friends with his iron constitution and stop-at-nothing daring.

Me, on the other hand, I'll stick to the pickled herring, which I only get at Sandstrom family Christmas dinner...

Not something I'd keep in the fridge, but interesting once in a while. And just as scandahoovian as lutefisk.

Deirdre

I'm just a little East of you. Dad's parents were from Denmark, born in the

1860s. His mother was a professional woman who made and graded butter for export. Mom's mother was from western German, where her family were educated publicans (inn keepers). Her father was a blacksmith's son born in an E German city which is now in Poland, and became a (self educated) curator of an art museum in Berlin. They were born about 35 years later than my father's parents, when marrying someone from a village 20 miles away was no longer exotic.

The food we liked was Aebfel Skivers. A spherical pancake with a slice (skiver) of apple (Aebfel) in it.

Tina

I -love- lefse. It is *wonderful* with melted butter and cinnamon sugar. And I was sometimes know to do a lefse-dog, as well. Half a sheet of lefse rolled around a hot dog, with some melted cheese. Num.

But these are historical treats, not part of the present. I'd have to take a holiday from my low-carb routine in order to have any these days.

Swedish potato sausage, OTH, is scrumptious, and within my daily allowance...

Deirdre

speaking of eating weird foods, I am sitting here eating BACON which the Atkins diet book describes as a "snack."

LMAO -- and watching my waistline shrink...

Becki "In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right.." -- Counting Crows

Becki, as long as it's not beggin' strips. patti

Low carb really does work.

Deirdre (who is waaaaaay beh>speaking of eating weird foods, I am sitting here eating BACON which the Atkins

atkins kicks butt, did it for 3 months once and lost 30 lbs. Started really missing potatoes and pasta tho.....