Re: OT: STORY - Flag Day and Independence Day

Jesuits are Catholic -- it's one of the varieties of monastery. I *think* (but I'm not Catholic, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong!) that being a Jesuit also implies a certain course of theological study, and that other kinds of monk (for example, Augustinians) may study other things, or study them in a different way.

But the important thing for "getting" that joke is that Jesuits are Catholic, and that many fundie Christian sects DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE Catholics as Christians. Seriously.

Celine

In article , snipped-for-privacy@nospamatt.net says...

I passed your question along, and here's his response after looking it up:

***** Yes. Here's the explanation direct from Census:

CENSUS 2000 RACE CATEGORIES

Many state and local agencies comply with the U.S. Office of Management and Budget (OMB) 1997 revised standards for the collection, tabulation, and presentation of federal data on race and ethnicity.2 The revised OMB standards identify a minimum of five racial categories: White; Black or African American; American Indian and Alaska Native; Asian; and Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander. Perhaps, the most significant change for Census 2000 was that respondents were given the option to mark one or more races on the questionnaire to indicate their racial identity. Census 2000 race data are shown for people who reported a race either alone or in combination with one or more other races.

To allow Census 2000 respondents who could not identify with any of the above five OMB race categories another option, the questionnaires, with OMB's approval, included a sixth race category: "Some other race." Space was provided on the questionnaire to allow respondents to also write in their race if their response was "Some other race." Because of needs to have census data comparable with the reporting categories used by state and local agencies and for compiling other administrative data used in producing population estimates and projections, the Census Bureau developed a procedure to assign an OMB race to those who reported "Some other race." (For more information about race classifications in Census 2000, visit the Census Bureau's Internet site:

RACE MODIFICATIONS

This summary file provides data from Census 2000 that have been modified to assign each of the persons in the "Some other race" category to an OMB race category. The modified race data include 31 race groups which are the single and multiple race combinations of the OMB race categories: White; Black or African American; American Indian and Alaska Native; Asian; and Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander. (For a list of the 31 race groups shown in this summary file, see Figure 1 in Chapter 1.)

In Census 2000, there were roughly 18.5 million people who identified "Some other race" as part of, or their only, race response. These people were primarily of Hispanic origin, 90.4 percent or 16.8 million people, and many wrote in their Hispanic origin or Hispanic origin type (such as Mexican or Puerto Rican) as their race. Since these people were not included in one of the five OMB race categories, it was necessary to modify their race. Responses of "Some other race alone" were modified by blanking the "Some other race" response and imputing an OMB race category, either alone or in combination with another race. Race responses were imputed from a "donor," who matched on Hispanic origin. Responses of both "Some other race" and an OMB race(s) were modified by blanking the "Some other race" response and using the OMB race response(s) that was provided. No modification was made for responses indicating only an OMB race alone or in combination with another race. (A more detailed exp lanation on the procedures used for race modifications is found in Chapter 3.)

In other words, *only* where the race was "other", and *only* in the tabularized data provided for use in OMB-comparison venues, the "other" category was apportioned using a formula designed to place those statistics into the group most likely to represent what the persons in that group would previously have been categorized into. No modification of the raw data was done, and the raw data remains available for use by demographers who want to analyze it. However, for the data to be useful in certain places within the government and elsewhere, the "miscellaneous" category had to be merged in a meaningful manner with the major groups. There is ongoing discussion of how to handle this categorization going forward, and I would anticipate that before the 2010 count, the methodology and statistical analysis practices will be changed to better and more revealingly account both for the raw data that is still stored from 2000 and to allow for more precise tracking of population trends. People who selected multiple races on the 2000 Census were counted as they filled out their forms. In some cases, the categories of their choices had to be homologated for certain reports. This does not effect or change the original records that the extracted and tabularized data is drawn from, it simply reduces the number of categories discretely tracked in the extracts; those people are then present as part of an effectively multiracial or multiethnic group instead of as a category broken out by itself. They didn't get removed from the totals, but they may not always appear as a separate column in the tables.

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So there you have it. Whoever Kalera's original informant was had a very incomplete and over-simplified understanding of how the Census data was handled.

Celine

That all Christians broke of from the Catholic church at some point, and then don't acknowledge Catholicism is Christian is indeed the point of the joke.

Jesuits are an order of Catholic priests (not monks, who live a religious life but are not ordained). They are the most intellectual order, the teachers, the researchers. An order is kind of like a school. Some teach more about poverty and compassion (like the Franciscans), the Jesuits were the most "highly educated", Oblate priests were very practical and did a lot of mission work in developing frontiers (Alaska and Canada).

The Sisters of The Holy Names, who taught me Catachism, are a Jesuit order. From them, we learned reasons for rules, rather than learning by rote. Instead of getting a list of Mortal Sins, we were given a definition. You must think the action is wrong. Want to do that wrong thing, and try to do it. If you don't think it's wrong, or do it against your will (eg self defense) or do it by mistake, it's not a mortal sin. After all these years, I can't always list the Ten Commandments, but I know what a "mortal sin" is. Same for confession. Without a sincere Act of Contrition or penance, including deciding to sin no more and avoid the near occassion of sin, etc, you are not forgiven. Because of this I could never understand when people told me Catholics can sin all week and just go to confession on Saturday.

More than you wanted to know, I'm sure.

Tina

Not too much info at all - it's very interesting! I like that definition of a mortal sin. In my heart, I know when something is really wrong.

Thanks... now all I need to figure out is why race -matters- so much that we identify people by it. It still seems to me to feed into an Us vs. Them mentality...

Deirdre

I'm a little less compassionate. "As you did unto the least of these My children, so you did unto Me." I hope that she's getting a *thorough* understanding of that phrase, with some personal instruction.

Celine

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Christina Peterson" :

]I am often inattentive to race. Then I was been told by some black people ]that I don't respect them enough to appreciate their differences.

amen! and you should have heard the chewing out i got for saying i had a "black thumb". when my plants die, they turn black. **sigh**

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

Bill of Rights - Void where prohibited by Law.Regime Change in 2004 - The life you save may be your own.

Intent is what it's all about for me too.

Tina

Too right, Diane! I can be described as that short, fat redhead with the bright smile who dresses for comfort and not style most of the time. Nothing offensive in that at all. I think, when someone is offended, a lot of it has to do with that person's own security and self acceptance (or lack thereof). Of course, there is a line, and if someone called me a fat bitch, and they meant to be offensive, I would likely be offended. I would also probably say something like "I'm fat, I can be a bitch, but at least I'm not a tactless asshole". :D

That reminds me. DH can call me a bitch and we will both laugh because to us it means he is calling me a strong woman. When my ex called me that it meant something quite different, and I was not amused * insert queen victoria voice there*. Humans are just so... funny.. we are! We are so complex and simple and wonderful and most of the time I am glad to be one. lol Diana

Member of the Society of Jesus, an order of priests within the Roman Catholic Church. They're the ones that run most of the universities, tend not to wear "uniforms", and generally "cause trouble" for those of other orders, like Maryknoll. Scientists and philosophers, not particularly "religious". "Famous" for debating abilities. Kaytee "Simplexities" on

But, the largest "faith based charity" group in the US (Catholic Church) OPPOSED this measure! Felt it just gave the gov't the "right" to mess with their business even more than it does now-- since many of their charities already receive gov't funding, like shelters, headstarts/daycare programs, clinics, and the like. Kaytee "Simplexities" on

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnospam (Kaytee) :

]But, the largest "faith based charity" group in the US (Catholic Church) ]OPPOSED this measure! Felt it just gave the gov't the "right" to mess with ]their business even more than it does now-- since many of their charities ]already receive gov't funding, like shelters, headstarts/daycare programs, ]clinics, and the like.

yes, it did that too. bleah!

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

Bill of Rights - Void where prohibited by Law.Regime Change in 2004 - The life you save may be your own.

Do you bead?

Tina

Are your ornaments similar to the carved eggs from Russia and the Ukraine? Pictures?

(I don't make beads either.)

Tina

Point of information: Those Russian and Ukranian Easter eggs are *real* eggs which have been dyed in a manner rather like batik, and then allowed to dry out. The most familiar of Russian woodworking are the "matroyshka" nesting dolls, which are painted rather than carved.

Arondelle

I've done Ukranian style eggs. They are done with a wax-resist technique, like batik.

Deirdre

Yes there are those eggs, but Ukraine is also known for boxes and eggs of carved wood. That's why I referred to carved eggs.

I've gotten both while in Ukraine.

Tina

My ornaments are still in the creative/expiremental stages. My goal is something similar to a delicate finial, with beads either handing from the bottom or suspened within the ornament. I am still playing to find the combination of wood color and finish that is pretty. I am looking for the type of beads which will sparkle in the tree lights or look pretty on their own.

I would say they are similar to the eggs, in that some will be hollow with a bead in the center. I may be thjinking of different eggs.