OT: I don't know

Jan 27, 2008 116 Replies

No wonder the glass ceiling remains firmly in place when all you need is other women to rake women down.

I think Hillary would make an excellent President. As for Bush making decisions - Ha, Ha, Ha - he hemmed and hawed all over the place, and then blamed Iraq rather than Al Queda. I think history will rate him along side presidents like Fillmore and Harding.

For all the Democrats are supposed to be the tax and spend party, it was Clinton who got the American economy back on track. In eight years, Bush has managed to take the US into its largest ever deficit, get embroiled in what could turn out to be another Vietnam (the Brits and the Russians could have told him about Afghanistan), and made the world a more dangerous place.

No, I think it's time for a statesman/woman. That could be Hillary or John McCain. I like Obama, but would like to see him get a little more experience.

I'm thankful I'm not one that will have to make that choice. Then again, we may have our own election this year.

MargW

With Richardson out of the race, I am more and more convinced that Obama is the best of what's left. I think there are Republican candidates with more experience and more decisiveness, but I don't like their politics.

Clinton keeps saying she has more experience, but Obama served 8 years in the Illinois state legislature and that counts for more in my book than being first lady.

So, yeah, in my book, he does have what it takes. That doesn't mean he'll win and in the end, most Democrats (like most Republicans) will want the candidate that they think can actually take the office.

Elizabeth

Oh please. Clinton thinks she can win BECAUSE she's female. That's as bad as people who won't hire someone because they're X. I'd love to see a woman president, but I don't want it to be Hillary Clinton. And if that makes me a bad woman or not a feminist, shoot me.

Elizabeth (now, if she'd divorced that SOB when she should have, I might feel differently about it)

How exactly does Senator Clinton have more experience than Senator Obama?

Elizabeth

Actually, I agree with you; of all the Democrats, Richardson would have been my pick (had I been a Democrat). Hillary's "experience" to my mind is somewhat negligible. The White House years I totally count out. Prior to that some of her legal dealings leave a nasty taste in my mouth, regarding ethics and honesty. Her years in the Senate............well, if BIll had not been the ex-President, and Hillary, the ex-first lady, I gravely doubt she would have been elected. The Dems have used her as a figurehead.

In the end, the most electable candidate will win.It is a shame that in these times and with round-the-clock intense media coverage, the candidates have handlers, like trained animals, and have to say the "right" thing to please whatever crowd they are in.

In my mind the whole 2-3 year election process over here is an outrageously expensive theatrical show.

There, I have said my piece, and tomorrow I will go to vote for McCain ( yup, he is the most electable Republican, in my opinion).

Gillian

I thought she held a Senate seat for NY since Bill's presidency?

True enough, the whole ball being worth more than the parts.

Pushed your button eh what ? I can't imagine why she would think being female is a plus !

I suppose, coming from a different culture, I see no surprises there, it was always thus amongst the mandarins. Often both parties shut their eyes. What was the advice Victoria gave her daughter, "Close your eyes and think of England" lol

I don't feel we should blame Bill on Hillary anymore than I feel that Laura should have shot Bushy.

Yes, and Obama has been Senator from IL. So I'm seeing two terms as state legislator and one as federal Senator against two terms as federal Senator. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'd say Obama is actually the more experienced.

Elizabeth

I don't blame Bill on Hillary. I think that Bill was a good president. HOWEVER, I also think that she stayed married to him because of her own political motives. I disapprove of that and I disapprove of the role model that she became by staying married to him once it was clear that he is the philanderer he is. I don't think that you stand by your man at all costs and I don't think that's a good example to set for young women today.

Beyond that, her politics are too close to the center for my taste. I'm much farther left than she is and I don't like the fact that she supported going into Iraq.

AND I resent being told that as a woman, I should vote for her. That's just bunk.

Elizabeth

I like Bill too, easy to see why other women did too.

That's a fair reason and yes, she was wrong, very wrong on that.

I would not condone that either, I want her to win on politics not sex. However, I do notice that when women are nearer the top, their sex does go against them, I don't feel you would deny that either.

Yeah - and she'll use that excuse too - if she loses. (I hope I hope I hope)

Sharon (N.B.)

OK, since we've had several people (here and on TV) say that the country is ready for a woman or a black president, just not *that* woman or

*that* black man, what woman and/or black man would you find preferable to the current options?

She's older (and hopefully wiser), plus her longer experience in politics (even if it was behind the scenes).

As I said, I think our American neighbours have a tough decision. No one knows for sure how an individual will perform as President until the person is actually in the job. Some people rise to the occasion -Truman comes to mind.

MargW

Thanks to those of you who inquired about Jim. This is a cut and paste from a personal email I sent, but it is the current situation. I just got home from the hospital. (Mon 2.30pm)

"Jim was feeling poorly last week; he called the Drs office Thursday, and they worked him in on Friday morning. He had pains in the lower chest area, so to be on the safe side, the Dr arranged for a direct admission later that day. The good news is that it was not connected with the heart. The bad news is that it is a recurrence of acute pancreatitis, which he had two years ago. He is still in there, and today is grumpy, threatening to leave, etc, so I KNOW he is on the mend! Before he was just lying there, acquiescing to anything, and partially sedated with Dilaudid.

He wants to get out today, but I told him he may as well accept that it will NOT be before tomorrow."

Gill

Glad for the good news that it isn't his heart, but sad for the pain and discomfort of Pancreatitis.

I hope he heals quickly.

L

I have no problem with Obama. I'd rather see Nancy Pelosi as president than Clinton.

Elizabeth

I'd argue that Truman didn't rise to the occasion very well, but I wasn't alive then, so what do I know.

Elizabeth

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