Re: Knitting again

I have no idea what you mean. I'm not being a smart alec, I truly

>don't know what you mean.

I mean that when we talk about 'terrorism' you can't include soldiers deaths, you could include the passengers on the 'planes and perhaps the ones on the ground, but certainly not the soldiers.

As an aside, do you know the figures of dead in Iraq ? I thought they kept that under wraps or something. When our soldiers die in Afghanistan we know that day and their names are read out the next day when all their relatives know. Then the cameras are there when the bodies are repatriated, both in Afghanistan and here in Canada. On the drive from the base to the morgue the highway has people most of the way along a very long drive no matter how cold or how hot to show support for the families accompanying them, it is very moving.

>>Well the population in Canada is the same as California (I think) but >>we have these three thousand 'planes flying around and if they wanted >>to do security like that, nothing would get out to schedule. Israel >>only has 'planes that fly out and in, the USA and Canada have masses >>of internal flights daily, as well as International. > >Okay, so Canada has what, 37 million people? How many airports?

I haven't a clue, many, every reasonably large place has one. Some international, some only internal.

>I am not aware of any of my rights being taken away from me. What the >administration did with illegal phone taps and such, is this what you >are talking about? No Constitutional law has changed, but laws have >been passed. Which rights have been taken away? Maybe because I'm >not out there in the work force I am not aware of something, honestly. >The only thing which has changed is that I have to take my shoes off, >computer out of the bag and get wanded when I fly because of my knee. >Other than that, and the price of gas, which is back to normal, what >has changed? > >>"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little >>temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." >>Benjamin Franklin > >I agree, but I fail to see what we've given up, other than, as I said >the illegal acts prevailed by our administration in the "name" of >keeping us safe. We have no national id cards and the borders are >still unsecured as they were before. >Victoria

I was just telling you, I need a passport now if I come to the USA ! People who live on the border with Maine have enormous problems, there is one area where the two sets of houses are so intertwined that to go to the bottom of one garden you need to cross the border, people never thought about it until now but now the Canadians are being told they can't do it ! I heard about one woman (who has bad knees) who will have to walk home because she will not be able to drive home because of the intertwined land ! These people who used to wander back and forth will have to get passports, despite the fact they never intend to travel anywhere except to the store/work and back.

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lucretia borgia
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Probably, because the UK is not part of the Schengen Agreement, but once in France, you could travel as far east as Ukraine without needing your passport.

Elizabeth

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epc123

Of course, if it was your house and your farm, you might see it very differently ! More so when it presents physical difficulties as well.

I don't think so, a drivers licence or some ID with a photo would do, just as it used to do for Canadians entering the USA.

There are no guarantees that knitting doesn't require frogging.

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lucretia borgia

I thought citisnes of nations that are members of the European Union have ID that allows them passage between member nations without showing passports. IME, people that live where they will be crossing borders regularly tend to have passports. Having a passport isn't such a big deal - it's the Visa requirements that make life difficult.

In the past, the US didn't have very equitable VISA agreements - with certain allies we were free to travel just with a passport, yet their citizens needed a visa to enter here. That has all changed much in the last

15 years, and more so since 9/11.

When I was a kid we travelled in the Caribbean a lot, and never had passports - but those days are gone. Even on a cruise to Alaska, if you're going to get off the ship in a Canadian port, you must take a passport with you - as a US citizen.

Well, be judicious. I'm a bit less perfect with my knitting at times than with my stitching. I figure it's handmade, so.....

Ellice

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ellice

They took and held my Passport on the cruise ship in Alaska when we were just passing through Canada and never stopped at a port or had the opportunity to leave the ship. This was back in the 80's. They returned it as soon as we got back to U.S. waters.

When I was on a cruise ship that was supposed to stop in Halifax they never asked for a passport, and I don't even remember them asking for any id. I do think we had to show photo id just to board the ship in New York and perhaps that was enough.

Lucille

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lucille

There aren't even any border stations between the Schengen countries, so you'd only have to show something if arriving at an airport. Crossing by car or by train, there's no place to show it.

Elizabeth

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epc123

ellice wrote: Having a passport isn't such a big deal - it's the Visa

Don't get me started.....I'm often asked to write letters to support visa requests for visiting musicians. The U.S. govt. has made that system SO complicated and expensive, it's cut down by a lot the number of folk musicians who tour the U.S. A lot of them either can't afford it or don't want the bother. And very frequently they can't get timely approval, or only certain members of a group get approval, and not others. I know of one case where a European group had to cancel a fully booked tour because the airline wouldn't let them board because one member's (well-used) passport was creased, and the airline didn't want to assume responsibility for having to transport them back home if they were refused entry into the US. The group's first appearance was at an international conference with a couple of thousand industry people, waiting in vain for the group to show up.

sue

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Susan Hartman

Makes things nice. We haven't travelled in Europe for a while, and honestly for me in the past, I've generally had to have my passport for work access reasons.

Ellice

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ellice

On 1/6/09 10:24 AM, "Susan Hartman" wrote:

I can certainly sympathise. Even when working for the fed govt we'd have issues at times with ensuring that visas were issued to visiting scientists. I chaired (technical & program) a reasonably sizable international conference - being held of all places in NM - Las Cruces (i.e. Not much happening here) because my difficult boss (the exec chair) thought that the local fed agency would be helpful - hah. Not only did I have to take care of making sure that all the papers which were being given had proper clearances, or redactions, but that all the stuff and people coming in were all set. What a pain - especially dealing with some folks getting held up at the airport in either Texas or Albuquerque. OTOH, we had problems of our own getting visas for some of my crew to go to France. The wierdest thing - one of my hops to the UK from France - as I was explaining my "work & visit some friends" purpose - the UK immigration officer started flipping some print-out list, looked at me and said "other passport, please - and be careful" - very, very quietly. Travelling to some places with personal and official papers I usually prefer to just use the personal. But, for entry into certain work sites, it's been required by the foreign govt that we have official passport stamped and turn-in-able. I was impressed, feeling myself to be a peon, but clearly the UK govt offices that oversee some of our agreements indeed supply the who to expect info to immigration. Interesting.

Ellice

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ellice

I should miss the days when we would travel around Europe with the kids, and asked to have their passports stamped at each border. They were very proud of the number of "stamps" in their passports.

I have had a passport continuously since I was 18 and will probably die with a valid one. It is a real handy piece of ID!

Gillian

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Gillian Murray

I let mine lapse, because I figured I wasn't going abroad anymore. However, with three dgc on a USAF airbase in the UK, and no sign of their parents bringing them home for a visit, it looks as though I am going to have to get a new one. Yuck. I understand that nowadays one has to jump through all kinds of hoops.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

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Olwyn Mary

It is no problem!! You can download the forms online, get a suitable pic taken anywhere (we took ours with the digital camera against the blank dining room wall). Adjust it for the required size before you print it out.

Then you need to go to the County Courthouse (or sub-courthouse)for the rest. Have cash in hand for part of it. people are using the Post Office, but I don't recommend it, because it takes forever. Going to the courthouse took no more than 15 minutes.

Gillian

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Gillian Murray

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