Terminology was the Aida post

I understand the problem, yet it`s a shame to try to lose the local names for things - how nice it would be if the shopkeepers could follow your example and label the goods in at least two or three languages!

Pat

Pat, my feelings eactly ,, but sometimes `local` meant only known to That shop lady and her regulars,,,, i had the experience of going into a shop and ask for 1 metter of lace ,, using the proper name TAChARA . the women looked at me raised her finger and said : "Nu Nu NU aren`t you ashamed to talk like that ? " took me a moment to understand she didn`t hear my first sylabel TA and thus thought i asked for something smelly. We discussed it further and finally i worked out that she used the word RENDA ????? which didn`t sound familiar to me at all , NOW i know it is Portugues ...... While in the neighbour shop they used the word Gipjur-Shtaaf [ sorry about spelling] which some Yiddish version, third shop they spoke another Yiddish Shpizen Arbeit.... Thus eventually we are better with some Agreed Upon General name ,,, mirjam

Pat, my feelings eactly ,, but sometimes `local` meant only known to That shop lady and her regulars,,,, i had the experience of going into a shop and ask for 1 metter of lace ,, using the proper name TAChARA . the women looked at me raised her finger and said : "Nu Nu NU aren`t you ashamed to talk like that ? " took me a moment to understand she didn`t hear my first sylabel TA and thus thought i asked for something smelly. We discussed it further and finally i worked out that she used the word RENDA ????? which didn`t sound familiar to me at all , NOW i know it is Portugues ...... While in the neighbour shop they used the word Gipjur-Shtaaf [ sorry about spelling] which some Yiddish version, third shop they spoke another Yiddish Shpizen Arbeit.... Thus eventually we are better with some Agreed Upon General name ,,, mirjam

Well, at least you can`t say that shopping is boring in Haifa!!! ;-)

Pat

Thank you , :>:>:>> indeed it is becoming , more and more interesting , New immigrants bring their traditions. New globlalization of industry brings different materials. The shifting indusdtrilization `Needs` also makes for new things. And last not least , when old shops close and sell all those left over treasures. It`s all open for us to see look and maybe use, either as real materials or as MUSE , for colors, feelings etc... It seems like a big Bazzar for Creative inpressions. mirjam

I wish that that was all OUR immigrants brought - their traditions are welcome as far as arts, crafts, music and lierature go! It`s the negative ideas that cause problems! :-)

Pat

Pat

I hope that you also welcome , new [traditional] cooking ways, foods and herbs.

Since most New immigrants to Israel are Jewish , and come here because they want to live in The Jewish state. They are welcome, to bring some of their Diaspora`s developement of Jewish culture , into the great national Salad. In every Group on earth there some negative ideas, besides lots of positive ideas. Most people add to their birth society, or if the immigrate , try to be accepted into their adopted country`s society, by giving some positive things. Negative ideas aren`t neccessarily brought in by immigrnats , many a time negative/ asocial ideas , can grow in the society itself , just like people who steal or are antisocial. I always hope for the best ,,, mirjam

Well, we can always hope! Experience tells us, though, that there are far too many negative ways (to our way of thinking) coming in with immigrants - far more use of offensive weapons, for instance. Far more theft, violence, abuse of laws and customs. You are fortunate in that most of your immigrants come with a common aim and religion.

Unfortunately ours come for many other reasons, and too many are unwilling to even try to conform to our laws. Those that come like yours, with a willingness and appreciation to accept our laws and contribute to our society are welcome, naturally. They are really valued.

Did you know that there is actually some talk of making a whole city (Birmingham) a Moslem city? I can`t see that idea going down well with the indigenous population, can you?

London is an awful place to visit these days - dirty, dangerous, numerous beggars (some of whom are quite intimidating) There`s no pleasure in walking round London any more - I used to really enjoy a few days in London with one of my daughters, but things have certainly changed.

Pat

I think that Israel has discovered some of the problems of uncontrolled immigration Bruce

"Bruce Fletcher (Stronsay, Orkney)" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@bt.com...

Snip > Those that come like yours, with a

Looks like it, Bruce. The trouble with "Human Rights" activists is that they only consider the "Human rights" of the immigrants and don`t show any concern for the "human rights" of the people who are inflicted with them!

Pat

Excuse me Bruce , this people aren`t Immigrants , they are people who indeed come in Illigally . They come over the border from Africa. We have to check out which one are really refugees and who have different intentions . If they are acknowledged by the UN as refugees we have to take care of them , if they aren`t other measurement have to be taken ,, [ We hope there are no terrorists amongs them ]. mirjam

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Pat when the United Nations acknowleges them as refugees we have to share our meagre economy , lack of jobs etc with them. mirjam

Miriam, They are illegal immigrants, we have them too. See Bruce

Bruce having been both an immigrant and a refugee , i can tell you there is a difference , but i am not debating with you. I can`t opent that adress you sent thus i don`t know what you wanted to me to look at . mirjam

An immigrant chooses to leave his/her country of origin. A refugee is compelled to seek asylum in another country. The URL is valid and leads to an item in the (British) Daily Telegraph for 26 Feb 2008 with the headline "An illegal immigrant was able to work at the House of Commons using a fake identity pass in a serious breach of security." Bruce