another Polish loanword from Chinese

that's veery rare word in Polish. I didn't know it, and Google lists only few real examples, more in plural "farfury".

here ?????? gives more hits.

But does translation count as a loanword?

"Son of Heaven" just means the Emperor. There has been no province by that name.

Tak

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Never heard about it (or maybe heard/read somewhere, long ago, in some book/play/movie). May be obsolete. Teh Polish word for "porcelain" is "porcelana".

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fajans. farfury naczynia fajansowe.

Etym. - osm.tur. farfur z pers.

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A translation isn't a loan word. So it's a loan word from Turkish, but not from Chinese.

but farfura indeed has some "veery distant Chinese roots"

Turkish loanword of Chinese calque? :-) Paul JK

But the original poster didn't claim it is.

Perhaps a question mark wouldn't be out of place in the title.

Arpad

That is, 364285 hits using

search engine. As I understand, farfor is the only "legitimate" word for porcelain in Russian.

Arpad

I found the word in Romanian language - farfuria "plate". Romanians are the descendants of Dacians Thracians, the ancient inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula and parts of Anatolia (Homer, Herodotus, Tacitus, Strabo, etc). They are speaking a Romance language.

And of course, Romanian borrowed quite a few words from Turkish in the days of the Ottomans

J.

No. It is not true. I found just a very few Turkish words, which are rarely used.

Not true. There may not be that many, but many of them are pretty common. Examples: Musafir = guest, visitor; DuSman = enemy; Geamantan = suitcase; Cizma = boot; Ciorba = soup; Chef [/kef/] = appetite; party. Several of these are originally Arabic or Persian.

I'm sure someone more proficient in Romanian can add other examples.

Nigel

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