OT-yet another thing to rant about

(((hugs))) I'd be furious too! Use your search-engine magic (you are the queen) and find out all you can on light pollution. It's a real issue! Maybe you and your neighbors can get together and start threatening lawsuits. Your DH also ought to be concerned if the property value goes down! Roberta in D

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{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}} from me too Jeanne, That's horrid.

My view of Scrabster habour was wrecked last year by a huge side extention made to next door's house. Now I have a roof in view out of my top landing window, with a big solar panel on it to look at. :( Not quite the same as your problem but I appreciate how annoying it is to loose a valued view. Yes I could have objected but then I have to live next door to next door. And DH would have not supported that. He got mad enough when I passed a comment to said neighbour about his builders when they built the dividing wall between our gardens. (There wasn't much cement between those bricks and I asked if he'd got the Spanish builders in) DH who was out in the garden with me just slunked of in disgust at my remark... I'm not worried about that. If it falls down it'll do so into his garden, I'll just plant a shrub border along it to hide it's ugliness.

I can't imagine what it'll be like having those lights blaring though. I know how bright they are as there's a pitch not far from me and I've often wondered how the residents cope with those lights. It would annoy me to bits I know that... you rant away we'll listen...

Hugs Elly

"nzlstar*" wrote:

Howdy!

Or, get used to it.

'Cuz sometimes they put these huge ugly things outside your property line, or up against the neighbor's back fence, and there's not a damn' thing we can do about it. In n.Texas (including RZ's family's neighborhood) they're planting those tall light poles in rings around the natural gas wells; add an ear-splitting, heart-stopping round of thudding, buzzing, howling noise, 24/7 (as they say) for months at a time-- and then ask your local council what the f#%k happened & why didn't they ask you first. Listen to them laugh all the way to the bank; and it's not in their backyard, view or no view.

I don't sound bitter, do I? Because I went to City Hall w/ the neighbors before they planted these monsters nearby, and we still got told to "lump it" while they changed the zoning from residential to light industrial. And we don't even HAVE gas lines feeding into our homes in this 'hood.

R/Sandy-- wishing the idiot city of Arl would use some of those $$$,$$$,$$$ to subsidize quilt shops... or the arts district which hands out grants to local arts groups like our quilt guild

p.s. Meanwhile, as the w> (((hugs))) I'd be furious too! Use your search-engine magic (you are the

I don't know the law of NZ, but the bit about "peaceful enjoyment of property" is crucial in Scots law. Every person has the right to that, not just owners but tenants as well. I wrote to my MP a wee while ago in relation to the fact I was not able to have "peaceful enjoyment of property" and the wheels of justice did move in relation to that... and those people will not be harassing me again. So stick that in, along with all the other grounds you set out. Set each and every ground out, clearly. It is well worth it to go get legal advice on this issue. You want legal backing for each and every point you make, and I'm sure there is case law out there for it in terms of property law (peaceful enjoyment of property, planning permission, devaluation of your property, etc), environment (light pollution, etc). Think of all the reasons you are unhappy and list them all out while you're still good and angry. Then have a cup of tea and go find a good lawyer.

-- Jo in Scotland

spent over an hour on the phone with parks man. he was sympathetic tho didnt really understand how a big 16 metre tall ugly metal pole with two big lights @1000 watts each set 20 metres from my back fence could possibly have so much of an 'adverse affect' as to mess with my 'enjoyment of my property'.

i figure the lights will only be used from maybe 4pm to 9pm (if that) in the dead of winter so maybe for 8 weeks tops (the day is only that short for that long). i get the ugly view out my kitchen window for the full 24/7/52 weeks of the year. there seems to be to be a major difference there. they need the lights way way way less hours than i'm forced to look at that ugly pole. i tried this morning to get up and not let that pole affect me but no matter how i tried, i could not ignore the fact that it is in my face and ugly as pigsh*t.

Tania, my neighbour has found a city councillor who lives in our burb and is going to check on this for us. right now seems they follows all the legalitys tho i have my doubts. the parks man did tell me that there is another similar (lighting) project in anther burb that has had two (2) public meetings over the lights. we didnt even get notify'd in advance that they were going up at all. no one heard jack diddly about them in advance. man on phone while looking at an top view of the placement and park that there was a tree in front of the pole that blocks it out from my view. this while i was standing in my kitchen on the phone with him. then he told me that the tree was not deciduous. excuse me? i know what those trees do thru winter, they all drop their leaves. then he says, we could plant a tree in front of it. its a 50ft tall pole. what will grow up fast enough to cover it? i'd be dead and gone before that. talking to him was useless. i've talked to the man in resource consent office. if they want to have a game at night with lights, they will have to put in an application as the RC(resource consent) only mentioned the need to use lights for training purposes. all that matters not to me. they use for a few hours in winter while i'm stuck with it in my face all year round. its not right, i wont have it, i want it out now. i said, why didnt they put in telescopic lighting. up when needed, down when not. then i'd of not had any issues with it. noooooooo, he says oh that would of cost them around 1 million dollars. those 6 poles each with 2 lights, each light 1000 watts each all total cost around 150K. i'm sure they'd not be that expensive, not that i care. i hate them, i want that one out to start with. now. yesterday. asap. i wont shut up til something is done. take no prisoners. MAD AS HELL IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC AND I AINT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!! J.

Moving to a neighborhood where the council people live isn't a bad idea either. Maybe all that construction noise would mask all the booming bass sounds from the noisy neighbor or the LOUD mexican polka music that seems to have destroyed my neighborhood. Why is it people that want to share music NEVER listen to anything I like? I am close to the point of giving up here. I love this house and yard but we are getting gang crap that is getting chased out of LA. It isn't next door but getting more prevalent. If I could figure out a better place to go I would but it seems almost anywhere you go there seems to be no respect for property rights. I am sorry about the pole Jeanne. I remember when you were dealing with the gas co. Sandy. These things just suck. DS lives in a noisy downtown apartment in San Diego. He deals with less crap than we do here in the darned middle of nowhere. Taria

Sandy Ellis> Howdy!

after an hour or more on the phone with parks man yesterday, tho he cant, wouldnt and reckons nothing will be done about the 'ugly' pole in my face out behind the back fence in the adjacent park.... one of his 'clever'??? suggestions was they plant a tree to obscure the pole. the pole is a few inches short of 50ft tall. what can they plant that will grow big enough quick enough to obscure the pole in my lifetime? it would take at least 20yrs to grow that big unless they planted bamboo but that wont happen next to a rugby field now will it. also occured to me the lights are only on the field at this end. there are two playing fields on that area. the one at the other end has the rugby club building, their parking lot and then a smaller playing field for local kids to knock a ball around before there are any houses. not a single house on that end backs directly onto the rugby playing field. why didnt they put the lights on that end of the field?

park man also told me there is similar lighting going up in fields all around town. one he mentioned by name has had two public meetings about the lighting going up there. they also had someone complain about the poles being too close to their home. their poles will also only be used from april 1 (how appropriate, lol) to end of august, only for training (same here) and the poles will be removed and stored the rest of the year. i'd go for ours to be removed and stored when winter is well and truely past or better, telescopic poles so up when needed and down when not.

we got no meetings, no notice either before or after they'd made the decision to put them up, got the resource consent approval, got the designs drawn up, concreted the bases for the poles to be bolted to, had the pole/lights made and then installed before we knew jack diddly and saw them being installed on the day. so who messed up here. i'm not done with this by a long shot. sorry folks but this is my place of thinking outloud to clarify how ifeel about all this and what is happening. i've emailed a city councillor in the area of the other park about getting into contact with the 'friends of _________Reserve (park)'. they sound to me more like private citizens who work to get things right for their own park. i'm waiting for a reply now. still mad as hell in the south pacific,

Get yourself a really big paint sprayer and spray the darn thing LIME GREEN!!!!!!!!! Gen