VERY OT: This s*cks (Rant enclosed)

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Just got back from the Post Office where I heard that we have lost a local young man to the insanity in Iraq. He would have been 24 years old next Tuesday. He leaves a three-year-old son behind.

When I unfolded our local daily paper the article about our soldier was just above an article about David Kay, the former top US "weapons inspector" in Iraq, and his appearance before the Senate today concerning his new belief that THERE NEVER WERE ANY STOCKPILES OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION TO BE WORRIED ABOUT BECAUSE THEY WERE PROBABLY ALL DESTROYED IN THE MID-90s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE IS THE PUBLIC OUTRAGE OVER THIS????? Or are we just too busy watching the Scott Peterson case and the antics of freaky Michael Jackson to have enough time to worry ourselves about what our government is doing???? Oh, yeah. I forgot. American Idol started a new search this week, right?? Wow, are we ever distracted...

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Mj

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Mj
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I hear you, MJ. I am in shock over that - my cousin just got back from Iraq yesterday after being there for a whole year fighting for the Army. It's so depressing and awful that I can't even process it. I was listening to NPR earlier today about this very thing. I feel helpless and angry about the whole situation. And so frustrated and anguished by the fact that Devin (my cousin) left for the war right after marrying his girlfriend way too young (19 and 17), fought for a year (his poor mom!) and then came home to a wife who has disappeared and a family who doesn't know him anymore. It sucks a$$. He's only one of thousands who had to endure the same bull. It's all really beyond terrible. So much that I just throw up my hands and say - now what?? So I dive into my work, because that's what I know how to do. I feel ya, honey.

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Kandice Seeber

I believe it would be a mistake to take what is promoted on television as being "real" life or to believe that there is any true American consensus on anything as promoted on T.V. or in the newspapers. The Talking Heads of Television don't speak MY words, and nobody asked ME about any of the oh-so-important "polls". So when you hear "Americans say this" or "Americans do that" or worse yet, "Americans believe the following" or "Americans support the following" remember that there's a lot of us that are not being heard on these issues on TV or the Conglomerated News. Sarajane

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Sjpolyclay

Oh yeah, I get you here..

It's the same with ANY poll - Have I ever been polled?? I think maybe once for some BS thing that didn't even matter!!

Mavis

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AmazeR

Oh the public outrage is there MJ. In some places it's burning just under the surface and in others it's showing in subtle ways that will make things clearer soon - for example if you drive through Seattle at all you will see all kinds of anti-war signs and "bush lied" signs etc. In NH they had a record number of folks going out to vote in the primary yesterday - and they are typically a hardnosed republican state. New Hampshire is also for the first time split 3 ways - 1/3rd republican, 1/3rd Dem and 1/3 undecideds - or roughly that anyway, according to my parents who live there. I think that sends a good message to both Bush and the Democrats. Now if we can just have record number of voters everywhere come the real election, things might change... of course having a president appointed by the supreme court doesn't instill a lot of confidence in our voting system, now does it?

I just don't understand how one president can almost get impeached over an affair with an intern, while another goes merrily along his way after blatantly lying to us about all kinds of things - things that do not make our country any safer than they were pre-911, has in fact killed a lot of our young soldiers, and makes a lot of us much the worse off economically. Did you know they counted all the home refinances in the GNP? Used that to say our economy is on the rise? Yeah right. And yeah right unemployment rates are getting better - I haven't seen it - in fact, I know a couple of people who have just given up finding jobs they are qualified for after searching for a year or more and are applying to starbucks and kinkos and walmart now just to have some income and a chance at benefits. So officially they will no longer be unemployed will they? But their income will be less than 1/2 what it was.

Another thing I keep wondering is... where are all these people who think Bush is doing such a wonderful job? The "polls" keep saying it, but in real life, I don't know that many people who actually think it. In fact I guess I could count those people on one hand... I really don't think the people who have issues with what is going on are even being heard.

So no, not all of us are "that distracted" MJ - if it helps any to hear it. Of course I'm in the minority, I'm "lucky" if I get to see my 2-3 TV shows a week these days. And none of them are reality TV. Well, maybe American Chopper is reality tv now that I think about it, but it's the creative process and ART I'm looking at in those bikes, not how Mikey, Paul Senior and Pauly get along ;-)

Pam

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pam

warning- if you are republican - skip....

Mj - it disgusts me -- horribly - but I am limited in my freedom of speech by who I work for. Bear one thing in mind -- part of my job is logistics for those boys - and it breaks my heart every time I hear it on TV... I do not intend to vote for GWB for President -- I'll vote for any Democrat they run - just so we can get rid of that war monger GWB. All he wants to do is make contracts for cheney and Halliburton and all his other rich Republican buddies.... they don't care the cost in lives.... period.... Guaranteed - if Republicans take back the White House.... people won't "enlist" and there will be a draft again... it will be Viet Nam all over again....

end of political rant.... Cheryl of DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass

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Cheryl

I was reading an article snippet in the Wall St. Journal (online) that said that almost 40% of people that are unemployed right now have merely given up; mostly high-paid white collar workers, that can't find anything but burger-flippin' jobs. It's sad, but that's where we're heading, too :o(

My vote is screw Bush, he's an idiot, and has done more damage to this country than any one in history. GRRR!

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Kyla

I'm just wondering what others of you might have made of the State of the Union Address - I'm talking about those three military people - the two men and one woman in uniform that were there that the camera kept panning to - the one who seemed to be clapping enthusiastically and the two who looked either disgusted or exhausted or bored... or what??? Do any of you have a take on their reactions? I've been wondering who they are and what they were really thinking ever since I saw them...

Pam

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pam

MJ -- I never did believe there were "weapons of mass destruction." I was told by someone in the military that we have to believe (this was back then) that the President knows more than we do about this, but I never believed that. I believe we went to war so that Bush could be re-elected. I thought that from the start, and I continue to think it now. Been outraged for a long time.

Becki "In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right." -- Counting Crows

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BeckiBead

I was told this by a couple of the representitives I wrote to way back before we sent in troups too. And couldn't beleive they actually beleived it at the time either.

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pam

I didn't believe it either - until Colin Powell went to the UN. Then I thought, well, maybe... But I was never really sold on the whole deal anyway. It's totally disgusting, what our "leaders" have done to us. We've lost the respect and sympathy of the entire world and gained only increased hatred and loathing from much of the world's population. Are we "safer" now??? No way.

Mj

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Mj

Meanwhile, veteran's benefits are being cut left and right... "support our troops" apparently means "send them to be traumatised or injured or killed in a bogus war, then leave them with nothing".

Bush doesn't support our soldiers. He's hanging them up to dry.

-Kalera (daughter and sister to soldiers)

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Kalera Stratton

I LOVE that show! Its one of a very few I will actually sit down and watch ten minutes of it. Sarajane

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Sjpolyclay

Mj, there's a bunch of us still here in the world that were around in the '60's. I remember those lessons and a big one is think for yourself, don't trust the arms salesmen to tell you the truth. They have a vested interest in selling guns to all sides. then they come back later and sell arms to the survivors and whisper "Go get 'em, see what they did??" to both sides.

I taught my sons that its wrong to kill people just because someone you don't know says its the right thing to do today. Its wrong to kill people for no other reason than because its in your job description to follow orders. You should always have a much better reason than that because stealing someone's whole life will change YOU for the rest of YOUR life, and it had best be a darned good reason. I know too many people who are irrevocabaly haunted by things they saw or did in wars. WW1 crushed much of my Grandpa--it just took him 65 years of nightmares every single night to die of it. War is an evil tool, and when people in power use it for their own gain--no matter what is *said* about "saving" men, women and children and freedom---then its wrong. There are other tools---some of them just don't pay as well to the arms salesmen. Sarajane

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Sjpolyclay

They were probably thinking when are we going to get this asshole out of office. I can't believe most people believed most of what Bush had to say. I thought his speech was pathetic and insult to my intelligence. I just hope they can get a democrat that can be elected this year. If Clinton was running I would vote for him in a heart beat. Roxan

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comeatspam (Sjpolyclay) :

] I taught my sons that its wrong to kill people just because someone you don't ]know says its the right thing to do today. Its wrong to kill people for no ]other reason than because its in your job description to follow ]orders.

while i appreciate the sentiment, i hope they have no plans for a military career! you have to REALLY know what you are doing before you question a direct order. and NOT following an order can get you and those around you killed.

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vj

I **totally** agree. I'm disgusted with the whole system right now. I don't trust any politician at all.

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Kandice Seeber

The state of the union address to me just seems like a big show - I don't believe a word of it. I didn't even think about the people you're talking about. :) Of course, I didn't spend a lot of time actually looking at the TV - I was so disgusted - it was just on in the background.

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Kandice Seeber

No - we're in more danger than we ever were.

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Kandice Seeber

Here's an "is it just me?" thing. I wish we could have a NO vote. I'd use it for all the current Dem candidates, so they could go back and find someone who actually might be GOOD. Then I'd use it again in November.

A girl can dream.....

KarenK

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Karen_AZ

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