OT: Secret Santa

Cecelia,

I agree with you somewhat on the thing if you were matched before as it would give you a chance to enjoy someone else different, their style and all that.

HOWEVER the problem I have is, there are SEVERAL in here that were part of a clique, and as a result harbor ill feelings towards someone that did somethig in stupidity and is still hurting over what happened. Further those that were not directly hurt tag onto the tail of the one that "WAS" and thus harbr the feelings of empathy. For that reason I know I WOULD BE one on several people's list.

So if there is going to be a exemption list, well like life, you have the choice to be a part of the FUN or not. It is just like working somewhere. If you don't like someone or DISAGRRE with their ways, habits or views, what do you do? Tell the boss you quit, want to have them removed, or some other unreasonable request. What abot people that live next to you. hell, I even know families that are that way. IT IS A FACT OF LIFE and being mortals. If you can not receive people as they are and accept them as a INDIVIDUAL, well you need to exempt YOURSELF from participating. Further if you are a believer in any God, you know as well as I do from many different religious beliefs and teachings, not just Christianity, it is not YOUR right to judge or deem justice, unless you are one of those fanatical believers of some sort.

So why can we ALL not just forget, forgive, get along and do what we came HERE to THIS GROUP for? To learn, to share to lean on and maybe even the chance to meet new REAL people. Grow up! I am trying but certain people keep throwing the crap and BLAME back at me and you don't think that that does not make it harder, IT DOES! But you know what Shelley, I will still pary for you and live with my beliefs and hope the best for your truly blessed family.

AND NO I DID NOT AND HAVE NOT TALKED TO RONNI, APRIL, MC or SABRINA or anyone else about anything in this thread.

OKC Dave

Dave, I always enjoy reading what you write. You have such a way with words.

We've also got Dorothy who not only scrapbooks but makes very pretty cigar boxes. Mindi who like April collects cows and has a heart of gold. Kenda who is such a sweet hardworking firefighter mom. Tabitha who doesn't have a bitchy (pardon the expression) bone in her body. Patty who is always there when you need her encouragement, Susan W who always has something positive to bring to the table and who takes care of the US scrapbox. Sharon who has so graceously volunteered to take care of the Canadian scrapbox, Tammy our NSSSF coordinator, Deb with her inspiring no nonsense "preachin... just kidding Deb, Caitlin whose LO's have always been a great inspiration to ma and others too and who I really wish would start posting them to RCS again. I very much miss her. Barb Quilts, who also has a heart of gold but who we haven't heard from in a while but I hope is still lurking! Renee and Katrina who were such a treat to meet. Lynne and Amy and LoriK who have been so very helpful helping with the website data. And I could go on and on as well, but I'm sure someone else can pipe in here!

Thanks, Dave. I guess what I'm having trouble getting across is that we are all different. We could have ANY reason to not want to trade with a specific person and I don't want somebody to not participate because they would want any person, BUT ______________ (fill in blank with whoever). And I'm not only saying that they wouldn't want to buy for so-and-so because they don't like them. They would also not want to be the recipient of so-and-so's gift because they would think that it might be hurtful. WHATEVER reason a person might have, they would still be able to participate without "fear". Does that make sense? To keep this non-negative... I might NOT want to ship to Canada because of the postage, just like a Canadian might not want a gift from here for fear of paying that tax or whatever it is that they sometimes have to pay when stuff comes from the US (please forgive my ignorance in the postal matters between countries!). Also, a longtime regular might want to trade with somebody they have never traded with before instead of the person they just finished being NSSSF with. Or what if they make a particular Christmas item they are so proud of and would like to show off to somebody then find they have the SAME Secret Santa as the previous year? How about if I were to have a great idea that is really girly? I could request to not be paired up with a man OR I might specifically request a man to get a different view this year. And, let's face it... There are people who don't like other people. That is going to happen in every group and for whatever reason, it doesn't matter. BUT...I don't want somebody to feel like they "can't" participate because of one person or even if it's TEN people! LOL

For the record, to my knowledge I am not involved in ANY of the rifts, spats, fights, etc. I have NO idea what is going on most of the time! I would probably list a few requested exemptions for the "duplication" factor ONLY. No problems with anybody! It's not that there has ever been a problem with a former Santa/Angel or a former NSSSF, but I would rather have somebody "new". Not that they have to be new to the group...just new to me! If this is a pain for the hostess, no problem. Give me anybody. I'll be fine. I just thought that if we set a ground rule ahead of time that everybody would KNOW they could request an exemption and this might help some decide to participate if they wouldn't otherwise. I truly wasn't meaning this to be such a big deal.

Sooooooo, how about it? Can we request an exemption privately to the hostess without mentioning why, how, what or anything???

Cecelia

Bite me. This is my home as much as anyones and I'll pretty much do what I want. I'm tired of people policing where they have no right to police. Deal with it... if you don't want to see my posts, learn to use your filters. Its hard to filter out emails when people change just enough to get past them. I post on here so that people KNOW what others are up to and don't feel like the lone ranger when they get rude emails from the same people. I've gotten emails going.. "you too! I though she was just being rude to me!"... it HELPS other people understand why certain people do certain things.

I think thats a great idea. Some people can't get over not liking someone and be totally unobjectable, and if this helps then by all means do it! Heck I'd take Shelley and treat her well, even considering our past fall outs... just the way I am but I can understand others having issues....

nope he hasn't... hasn't had time anyways.... funny we agree tho huh? LOLOL

I love that! We call them warm fuzzies here.. LOL... hey, at least you HAVE kiddos... a few of us here can't have them so go squish them for us!! *G*

LOLOLOLOL

Susan, I got burned on my 1st or 2nd secret swap (I forget, it's been so long ago). The secret bunny I think. I sure didn't expect Joana (the hostess) to make up for it. She did send me a little something though. Anyway, I just want everyone to know that unfortunatly it is a risk we're taking w/ any kind of swap. It's worth the risk though!

Katrina in KS

Theresa sounds like as good a host as any. I offered befoe I hadread all the replies. I wasn't aware that she had already offered. Theresa, if you have any questions, just ask. I might be able to help ya.

Katrina in KS

Ronni...you DO what you want ALL the time. Nobody is stopping you----it's just that nobody likes it. People are leaving because of you. You treat people like s*it and then threaten them. For someone claiming to be getting back to God you certainly have a funny way of showing it.

MC you're right. again. I'm glad you can refrain from dealing with the unwanted posts in an unprofessional manner and because I cannot stop myself from answering the idiotic posts that are NOT polite, kind or professional, I would love for you to remove me from the website. I cannot be in this group as long as Ronni is mouthing off about this N that. She is chasing people away with her posts and I've had enough. Lots of people have had enough and are staying away because of it. I'm sorry for anything I may have written that has offended anyone---it was/is REACTION not action. I'm tired of the fact that it is the reaction that is most strongly addressed and not the original action.

It's been fun but I'm joining the others who have left for similar reasons...enough is enough.

Thanks to all that have helped me out during my stay here, your kindness will be remembered!

Donna not a flass---f/lard ass.

Ronni, you are a shocker ... really, i have talked to some sad people during my years in usenet, and you take the damn cake!

This whole *everyone on my case thing* think about why hun!!!! Cos your not very nice to a lot of people! You cant even have a civil conversation without bringin' past things into it. You use this forum to do a whole woe is me deal for the sympathy vote i can only imagine, and ppl are sick of your tripe! Leave .. dont leave .... either way grow up, stop complaining, and stop WHINGING about other people!!! Get off yer arse and get a life thats positive, and one you can be proud of!

PLONKKKKKKK

Tracy

None of my posts were aimed at anyone in particular, Donna. Frankly, I'm not too happy with all the negative posts here either. One of my best friends has a great saying. "Get over it! All this constant reminder of who did what to whom and who should be forgiven and hasn't been and who is unable to forgive is getting really old and it achieves nothing except to tear everyone appart and make the newbies think they have come across an insane asylum. For those of us who care about the people in here, it really is hurtful and I for one hate that the group is splitting while I do understand what is happening. It's time for it to stop. There seems to be two forces at play around here right now, those that are pushing people away and those that are pulling people away with them. If I remember correctly RCS is a "public" scrapbooking newsgroup which at one time or other we were all happy to have found. I'd be surprised if there is a single person on this newgroup who has managed to avoid being hurt at some point or other.

Please if someone gives you grief in private, keep it there! If you're my friend, email me privately and cry on my shoulder I'll be there to comfort you. But why does everyone have to hear about private disputes? Get unhappy at someone, email them! Want to warn your friends about something or someone, use email. If you disagree with someone but they are not inherently wrong in what they posted to the newgroup that too IMHO is your problem, please don't make it everyones. If someone makes a mistake or says something that is wrong, then surely it is possible to let everyone know whithout making it personal and chopping the person into pieces publicly. Frankly I am getting tired of all the old laundry coming up again and again and again. Starting with a clean slate means just that and I see no reason for anyone to use this news group to vent their frustrations. Frankly, if you can't behave like an adult, take a time out and come back and join us when you've adjusted your attitude.

Get over it ladies and gentlemen, wipe the slate clean, forgive and forget and lets get scrapping again!

M-C who probably should not be posting while on meds! P.S. Donna, if you still want off the newsgroup, email me privately at snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com

professional,

Ok CONFUSED HERE BUT

im not IN a click as you so like to call it over and over and over again.. but how did SECRET SANTA turn into.. SHELLEY HATES DAVE? who keeps bringing this up? I havent seen a post from shelley about this.. nor a post from any of her CLICKS so you call it.. why does it ALWAYS have to be.. REPEAT THE PAST ????? when did this happen? how many months ago? why is it STILL being talked about???? does it have a lick to do with SECRET SANTA??????

I bet who ever thought about CHRISTMAS cheer never thought they'd get this kinda cheer!

and BEFORE you type one red letter to me.. I AM NOT IN A CLICK and will not be labeled as such.. nor will I be thrown around for a numbers game just to show who has more numbers on their side.. this group has way lost the ADULTS it use to have.. I have more civil dealings at my sons Kinder class then Ive read on this group of late.. ONE shot into the dark makes the entire herd run around like mad.. until everything is CALM again... and heaven knows we cant have CALM and FRIENDSHIPS.. whoa nelly.. what would that mean??????

for people to keep throwing the words GROW UP around like its something EVERYONE ELSE needs to do remember this The first one to POINT blame to OTHERS for all THEIR wrong doings.. should ALWAYS stand in a mirror FIRST.. and see who the first one in line is

I so wish all your hopes come true for this group.. as indeed.. it use to rock! and be as warm as the sun in mid july.. I think we all miss it.. and im sure EVERYONE is frustrated with the way its slid down the mudbank.. maybe in time.. after some forget.. some forgive.. some move on.. some come back...it can once again.. be GRAND!

MC please dont over do it while on meds.. the extra doesnt do a body good..

Number one, you can all stop pointing the finger at me. I've had people email me and call me ranting and raving about people on this board and things they have done and I've told them numerous times to numerous people to let it go. I've let it go. The people who keep bringing it up are NOT me. I offered to host SS because I've done it before and the comment was made that it was a bit of an undertaking. I then get emails from others in this group who WON'T let it go... from "former" members who have said they have left but haven't. I didn't ask to be treated rudely. There are a number of members in here that have waited for one group in particular to leave. They threaten to, we rejoice, want to get on with our lives, and then they show back up again a few weeks later.

I WILL NOT BE THE SCAPEGOAT FOR OTHERS BEHAVIOUR.

I stand for one thing, and one thing only, and that has NEVER changed. Truth. The truth. Honesty.

Its all I ask for. I ask for people to be truthful. I don't care if you screwed up. Just be honest about it. When lies are told, then perpetuated, and spread, that is when I have a problem. When someone lies, then changes the lie, then 4-5 months later is still lying and everyone on the group pats them on the back "oh thats okay".... I have a problem with it.

I'm not running people out of this group Donna. You know who is. Her and her groupies. People try to do nice things for people here, go out of their way, and still get stomped on because it wasn't done in a manner in which they approved of, and they run to their IM's and chat about us and speak lies.

I have tried to be nice to everyone in this group, but still got nasty emails because someone didn't agree with me... who cares if we agree? We don't have to! Thats the great thing about freedom. I don't send rude and nasty emails. I've responded to a few (all from the same 4 people). Even when they use a yahoo account, I can tell who it is by the writing style. Its so obvious.

Donna, I'm sorry if you feel you have to leave, but until a few people on this board stop sending me and others rude emails, I think RCS is gonna have the cancer we have among us. The only cure for the hurt that has been passed along is an apology. She knows who she is and until she realizes she needs to apologize, the bitterness in her soul is eating her alive like her own cancer. I really feel for these few people. I've spent many times praying for them wondering what was it in their life that made them feel like attacking others like that. I can only imagine the pain they are going through to expel such venom at others.

You can stop pointing the finger at me. I'm not the cancer here. The bitterness these women hold is. Until they can let it go and get on with it... they will still feel that need to lash out... and that is the sole root of what is going on here.

Wow, you really haven't been paying attention have you? I feel so sorry for you. Woe is me how? I'm doing awesome right now. I have good friends, a great family, I'm kicking butt in school.. I've been nothing but positive.

I offer to host something and suddenly the "witches" of the group send me anonymous emails? How did I ask for that? A few people here have wanted to literally drive to peoples houses and scream at them (not kidding)... and I've spent time talking them out of it. I've spent so much time lately telling people to just let it go... but you never hear that side of it. The phone calls, the emails, of me trying to get people to just get on with it... no.. that is never mentioned...

Its not everyone on my case Tracy. You know that. There are 5 people in particular. They are all part of a group of people. One person got mad about someone and decided to use me as the target.. about a year ago. Well I wouldn't just back off and cry they way they wanted so they could go back to their homes and feel good about whomping someone, so now I'm made out to be the villian. Well whoopie. I don't care if I'm the target. I don't care. When do I care? When you screw with my friends. AND THEY HAVE.

There are a few of you who have gotten some really rude emails from a few people in here.

Post them. If you still have them. Post them. I know one person did and the sender about had heart failure. (it wasn't me). If people really knew how some of the members on this board treat others, you'd be stunned.