Re: RFD: rec.crafts.scrapbooks

Welcome to the group Nan! How long have you been scrapping?

If thats rude to you.. then im sorry.. you need alittle more sunshine in your life.. we've simply said OKKKKKKKKKK what will be will be.. We will simply wait until a final choice has been made.. Im not sure what exactly you wanted said.. IT WAS ALL GOOD TO KNOW.. that is not rude.. SHUT UP AND DONT POST woulda been rude.WHICH IS NOT AT ALL WHAT I SAID!!. but IT WAS ALL GOOD TO KNOW... THANKS FOR POSTING IT SO WE ALL COULD GET A BETTER VIEW OF THE SITUATION.. if saying thank you for all the info you just typed to us was rude.. then so be it.. cant please everyone

hehe.. i didnt see nething rude.. shoot fire.. im just trying to make the day go buy with a smile.. guess making fun is OUTTA LINE for such a hot topic! Ill try and throw some water on it..

LMAOooooooo ohhhhhhhh Shelley The first one I read I thought hmm ok --- now the second one sheesh too funny this slow aussie finally got it!!!! errrrrr derrrrrr Shaz

No, of course you aren't (though I didn't get any jokes in the post either, so the second question's answer may be yes...).

At this point I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen with this proposal, but what's happening now is tediously familiar. Some bunch of people meet up with news.groups. Netiquette standards differ (OK, in this case they differ *a lot*) and some of the ruder people in each group say nasty things; before you know it a minor culture war has broken out.

The catch is that *here* it's in the context of an RFD which the group in question very plainly said just weeks ago that they didn't want. So it's *not* equal-opportunity culture clash here. We in news.groups should have been *prepared* for rec.crafts.scrapbooks people to

a) not want anything changed, and be upset if a change was proposed

b) not know much about the process involved.

(Given that many, if not most, of us disagree with the rec.crafts.scrapbooks consensus, we *have* to assume y'all are ignorant about the process. Most Usenet users are; it's nothing to be ashamed of.)

We should have been on our best behaviour. Whatever our moral views on, ahem, "squatters", the fact is that offending people makes it

*less* likely for the situation to be resolved in the way many of us want - that the group becomes official by virtue of agreement on all sides and an overwhelming YES vote. Normally, when someone else has an influence on something you want, you should use tact...

So in this case, there's no moral equivalency involved. For whatever reason, a few people from news.groups are making real efforts to make a bad situation worse, and I can't see anything they gain by doing that. Disgusting.

Joe Bernstein

Geez, how rude!! And here I sit, with a whole load of snow falling outside. I wasn't impressed wiht having to dig out my car when the hospital called at

3am!!!

Kellar

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What's rude to whom? You have no context left to tell.

And you are that sunshine? Sorry to tell you, you aren't.

That's not even close to what you've said.

that is what IIIIIIIIIIII have said.. DO NOT PUT WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID AS MY QUOTES! either show MY quotes and feel free to point out all the BAD in them.. or quote the person who said it.. but do not roll all this into one ball and claim it so! I HAVE NOT been rude to one person.. BUT boy have you and your crew been more then willing to throw as many insults as possible my way and the way of others. If you and someone else cant stand when someone is nice to you and simply says.. I HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE DAY.. then that is a bigger fish then I plan on frying.. AND MAY THE SUN SHINE ON YOU TOO!

Um, I just wondered whether the scrapbooking crowd realised that this is a *discussion* document, and they are allowed to suggest changes to it, that might be incorporated into the final charter.

(Hello, I usually read news.groups, and I don't scrapbook, although I have bought supplies as presents. The wriggly-edged scissors are fun!)

Thanks, Nick LOL We all know and appreciate Mindi's humor. She is one of the best! Hugs,

Sabrina :-)

Hi Penny! You should get into scrapbooking. You would love it. I love your description of wiggly edge scissors! LOL If you take pictures and have any kind of picture albums or a shoebox full, you would be amazed at howsoon you bedcome addicted. You are welcome to read and postwith us ,too :-)

Sabrina :-)

LOL the scissors comment!

Maureen in FL aka Smilingtooo :-) SMILE BE HAPPY :-)

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It has been a while since I have been able to read the NG. Many things going on, hectic , busy, day to day stuff. Anyway, I am sitting here with the flu or something and not in the best spirits ...so forgive me ahead of time if I say something rude...LOL.

Anyway, I have been on this NG since Victoria was 4...she is going on 9 now and I am nearing my 5th year as a RCS poster...Oh my when did that happen! whew! Anyway, I was fortunate enough to post here with many of the original " oldies" of the group. We lost a great portion of these oldies when their internet providers no longer carried RCS. It was brought up by the RCS posters then to try and become official. Now these posters having been around from the beginning remembered trying and being denied. They felt that trying again would be a long drawn out process and would just be denied anyway. There was no one coming in offering their help to us ...so it was just decided to leave things as they were. Those posters who could not gain access here any longer went elsewhere.....and many posters, not wanting to loose their friends , went with them. I believe most of them went to Oz. There were people who could not get to Oz, myself included, and others who did not want to move. So some left and some stayed. Now since then we have gained alot of wonderful people, but it was still sad to loose the people we lost. I remember the Annual RCS meet that would happen in a different state every year. I was never able to go but they always seemed to have great fun! I remember the layout contests we had.....and everyone voted on...what fun.

Anyway, my whole point of this post ( if I have a point that is..lol) is that it would not be a bad thing to be official. It would not mean someone controlling us....go into any usenet group out there and you will see there is no one regulating it except for the posters themselves. It really would not change us at all except for the fact that for those who are unable to get to us would now be able. It does not mean we would be bombarded with a slew of posters....look at alt.crafts.scrapbooks.....they are official and there is hardly anyone there. We would probably get more spam on the group than we do now....but that is easily skipped or deleated. Anyway, I have a headache now and have lost my train of thought. Just throwing my 2 cents in for what it is worth.

Azzy

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Azzy did you used to post under a different name years ago?

Wow Azzy u r an old timer :o) Shaz

This is a different perspective than we've all been looking at. I, too, have been around for a few years now, and hadn't really thought of it this way. There ARE a lot of regulars we've lost because of this. Perhaps we all jumped up eagerly to see the negatives and didn't spend enough time contemplating the positive aspects this could bring to our group. Thank you for making me pause and take a fresh look at the issue, Azzy. lori shay louisville

I'm still trying to figure out the negatives.

Azzy,

I asked for an explanation from a couple people from news.groups and a couple were kind enough to give me their input and also give me some links to read. I do believe (now) that it probably wouldn't be a bad thing - we don't need to have a moderator to "control" our group and we just need to block or skip the individuals that irritate us. I am trying not to read some of the continuing posts from irregular posters about this matter because they start to get under my skin again. If they would just leave us alone for a while.

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I don't think I came here under a different name...I am not sure though. I might have started here when I was on webtv right before we bought a computer. My husband has a way with numbers...he can remember dates with ease....me? not at all. When I was younger I used to remember when things happened by my age....now when asked how old I am I have to stop and think about it...LOL. So I use my daughters age...I remember when things happened by how old she was....LOL. I tried to Google myself ( that just sounds funny) to see exactly when I started but couldn't get all the posts. The posts ended when I was volunteering in my daughters kindergarten class....and I know I was posting before that. I remember a series of posts when my daughter was to start kindergarten...I was a wreck and everyone helped me through it.

Azzy

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