Apology and Insult

OK, you were told, now you know, enough sniveling already. I think you should swallow the bitter pill, learn from your mistake, don't do it again and take an active part in the group without the sale's pitch and whining. Then you will be accepted as a contributing part of the newsgroup. Put it behind you and go forward..........and sin no more my child.

Val

If she actually contributes to a discussion - responds to a post, etc., I think it would be OK if she put her link in her signature, don't you? As long as it was a real post and not something just to get the link in.

Val

Frills:

Pay no attention to the sharp-tongued biddies in this group who think they own it. You are not a "spammer" at all (if they'd care to look it up.)

I see your post as a public service announcement of your shop and wares and you didn't deserve the response it received. Let JoAnn Fabric have a sale and there will be a "heads-up" appear here (from members)with nary a peep. Regular, periodic ads by you (or JoAnn Fab) wouldn't be welcome in a discussion group, of course.

I gave your site a quick look-see and bookmarked it and that was that. In contrast, look at the space taken up by the endless chatter here on non-sewing-related topics. Which is the greater sin?

Good luck in your business. And don't fret over those who purport to speak for this group; they do not. The usual threat is that "WE don't like ads and we will go out of our way to NOT buy from you". Reminds me of the blues break-up song "If Your Phone Doesn't Ring, You'll Know It Was Me"

JPBill

Yes, it will be interesting if she does CONTRIBUTE and not just run in with "look at my site and buy, buy, buy."

I don't understand why the first time a spammer shows up and posts their site and then whine when they are called on the carpet for it and, yes, I did call you a dingbat. If you had been reading this group at all you would have known that spammers to go to the top of our sh*t list.

She'll probably post a time or two, but not really interested in being a part of this group and only hoping to direct traffic to her site.

Ok Bill, please look up "biddies"

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bid·dy 2 (bd) n. pl. bid·dies Slang A woman, especially a garrulous old one.

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[Nickname for Bridget.]

Please politley note that:

None of us are hens. None of us are garrulous. And most of us aren't "old", and those who are seniors are still young at heart.

If there is someone here named Bridget maybe you can call her a biddie, with permission of course, but I am pretty sure we have no Bridgets who frequent the group.

With that said I am going to politley use my blocking tool so I can't read your posts anymore as I have said my peace with you. You are, of course, free to reply, but as I said, I will not see it anymore.

I hope you see that I have tried to be polite towards you but I can no longer read your posts due to past events, some of which I have not responded to, some I have, and one in particular geared towards myself. I respect that you are free to post, but hopefully you know I am free to not read them.

Yours Truly,

Michelle Giordano

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Yes, it will be interesting if she does CONTRIBUTE and not just run in with "look at my site and buy, buy, buy."

I don't understand why the first time a spammer shows up and posts their site and then whine when they are called on the carpet for it and, yes, I did call you a dingbat. If you had been reading this group at all you would have known that spammers to go to the top of our sh*t list.

She'll probably post a time or two, but not really interested in being a part of this group and only hoping to direct traffic to her site.

LOL Remind me to stay on your Good side, Joan. ;)

What gets me, is when they just fly in and drop a post about "oh look at my site, I sell sewing stuff you will love it and buy from me" without reading the FAQs or sticking around long enough to read a few posts is how much business they lose. I know if I read a post like that on here, I definitely Won't buy from that site. And I buy almost exclusively online now. (well sewing supplies anyway.) I'll hit the local Hancock's or Wal-Mart for sewing room "staples" like thread, needles, etc. But fabric and trims, zippers, etc. I buy almost all that online. I know I'm not the only one that does this. There's a bunch of us that don't live where we can get really nice fabric easily, so we buy online.

Ah well. If the spam wasn't enough to stop me from spending there, the whining would be. I don't put up with whining from my children, so you know I won't take it from anyone else. ;)

Sharon

I just came from alt.fashion and dang her if her sorry butt isn't over there advertising her site. I searched her posts to different groups and they all start out with that "Hi! I just joined this group blah, blah, blah." ALL are spam directing us to her site so she can hopefully relieve us of our money. She has no more interest in participating in this group or any other for that matter; all she wants to do is SPAM us all. One more time and I won't hesitate to report you to your ISP. And if you are not sure what a spammer looks like, look in the mirror.

Wow, Bill, why don't we invite every online seller in creation to post a link to the ng, as a 'public service announcement'? Then you could have an endless supply of bookmarks, and the rest of us (sharp-tongued biddies, I believe you call us) could just go away and let you enjoy yourself.

Oh wait. What would happen to the helpful sewing tips? I believe you wrote a few days ago that they were the primary reason you tolerate the rest of us. I don't see any techniques or innovations or results in your so-called public service announcements.

Doreen in Alabama

Sometime ago, I told a spammer that I had just blocked his/her name from showing up on my screen again. He/she made several threats to my address, about inundating me with more spam than I could ever hope to read and that would tie up my receiving regular mail. I got a few spams for about 3 days and blocked all of them, and voila, no more from that person, but I learned something new. Now, I don't say anything when I block them, just as I do spam/ads on all of my addresses. I read the sewing ngs to learn new ideas for sewing and to communicate with my online friends, not always about sewing. Sometimes, we all need to talk. I certainly don't want to read ads on here. If I want to buy something, I can "Google" and find the product without it being "shoved in my face", so to speak. Sorry for the rant, I close my mouth and read for a while, thank you for "listening".. Emily

Personally, I'm not a "sharp-tongued biddy" I'm a sharp fingered old biddy. I have my finger filed to sharp point so I can go to the Whois Server and get their ISP address so I can report them. Spammers are the scum of the earth as far as I am concerned. They have one purpose and one purpose only that is to part us from our cash. They are not here to help, be our friend, or provide a service. They are here to make money.

Sometimes I don't think Bill would recognize spam if a can of it hit him upside the head.

Standing

know that refers to *e-mail*, but I also apply it to spam sent to newsgroups. And I *never* warn first, I just report the abuser to its ISP, snipped-for-privacy@google.com, registrar, etc. Poor business plans do not acquire my tolerance.

Beverly

Ditto: I have never understood the way certain posters pick and choose who to rag out and who does not get that treatment when they post information or a site to purchase from. Anyone who can help me further my sewing skills I enjoy hearing about, be it notions, machines or ideas. You did not deserve to be treated that way. Your one post with your site was appreciated my many and will become the subject conversation by many. There is no hierarchy in a news group, and for the most part no rules other than those of good taste and courtesy.

this crap is one reason I rarely visit this group anymore. Hope all you mean spirited people enjoy yourselves you certainly deserve each other. You make it hard for anyone to participate with all this nastiness, and it is no wonder that of this groups viscous posts are the talk of the legit sewing groups. You should be ashamed of yourselves. YOU need to get over it, your not the Head Dude here no matter how highly you think of yourself. If this poster in question does not return is it any wonder the way you have ranted on about one small post. Searching the other groups points to a lack of a life--- Get over yourself dude!!!!!.

weareallrelated wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

that is totally NOT true. there is, indeed, a hierarchy of newsgroups, and there are charters & rules for different groups. while it may be generally true the alt. groups tend to be unchartered or rogue, not all of them are & it's best to read the group's charter/faq before posting ads or spamming. many groups do NOT allow ads. there *is* a difference between posting URLs to sites you use but are not affiliated with (NAYY, no affiliation, yadda yadda) & a site you run for profit. there is a huge difference between posting a personal site (like Kate's) where you show what you've been up to & offer, out of kindness & generosity,

*free* tutorials on how you did something and a site you are advertising for your own profit (or spamming). an established Usenet user may have a link to thier commercial site in thier .sig without raising any eyebrows or ire, but to barge into a group & start pushing a *for profit* site in your first post is rude & tends to get you reported to your ISP for being the boorish spammer you are. lee

Here's a theory for you.

Some of the spammers or keywords we don't want to see, we already have in our kill files, so we don't even see them. When they post again they are thus largely ignored since no one even saw their post. Hence, when we get a new spammer, those posts then get what you call 'the treatment.'=20

People who do not follow Usenet rules (yes THIS is Usenet) which includes no advertising in discussion groups, open themselves up to criticism from those of us who do. That's the effect "rules" have on those who follow them.

Irene

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LOL I'm on a bunch of other sewing groups and have NEVER seen 'this group' slammed on because of 'viscous' posts (I'm sure you mean 'vicious' but I've never seen that either). =20

Usenet (this is USENET) is mostly self-governing. Those of us who follow the rules (there ARE RULES just look them up) tend to be impatient with those of you who DON'T. Just read the rules...then just follow the rules, and we'll all get along. =20

Like was mentioned earlier....drive correctly, and non one will cuss at you for running a stop sign.

-Irene

-------------- You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.=20

--Mae West=20

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