Daniel collection - updated

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...Kevin

Here we go again -- the navigation arrows on your home page are so counter-intuitive that it makes one believe that maybe you are intending it as a test to separate the "artistic" folks from the rest of us?

For the rest of the world, the down arrow gets us closer to the bottom of the page. Your down arrow does just the opposite.

Bill

Nova wrote:

And then, when you click on a name to view somebody's work, the dumb thing scrolls back to the top of the list so that you need to do it again and try to remember where you were.

Sorry but this is one of the worst examples of web site navigation I've ever seen -- a real classic.

Bill

Bill Rubenste> Here we go again -- the navigation arrows on your home page are so

We've been through the poor navigation discussion before with Jonathan. Clearly he's happy with his site and has no problem navigating it... and hang everyone else who might happen by on the highway. These issues are ours, not his. Right, Jonathan?

Nice additions, Jonathan. Although I couldn't really tell which were new since they weren't identified as such, I'm sure that you did well, as always. A few niggling bits - your carefully disabled right click works everywhere except where you need it the most, on the pop-up pages that display the large-images. Some of these pages (the new ones? the old ones? don't know) don't close on a right-click and these precious images are easily scarfed by the unscrupulous. In addition, some of your links to turners' sites (never mind that I thought these links would go to the gallery, or that there would be some connection between the links and the gallery; that's part of your navigation and I've learned better than to offer suggestions there) seem to be broken. You might want to look into these...

Bill

Thanks for the comments - you're quite right we've 'done' the navigation thing to death - a year ago if memory serves so I'm not going either to rise to the bait or dignify it with an answer, I'm sure the thread is lurking around in cyberspace if you really want to revisit it.

The website is long overdue a re-write which this will address, or not, who knows (lol) and I now know better than to take to heart comments made on elements of what is at the end of the day a personal site, intended as a way of raising the profile of woodturning which from feedback received it does in its' own little way. Perhaps the lesson I have not yet learned is where to post notifications of the updates.

The 'new' additions tend to be those without the right-click disabled facility - I found there to be a huge clash between various versions of a Dreamweaver Extension so had to take an alternative route in the short term. Shame to have to do this to prevent people claiming work and photos as their own as it ruins things for those who might want to view them for genuine purposes - and I know from requests for the 'originals' that there are plenty of people around who want to do just that.

The list tells you who we have added this year - the pieces will usually be at the bottom of the turner's page hopefully this helps.

Yes links do get broken - if you can point me to those you have found I will address.

Have a good New Year.

I meant to add this into the above note - if anyone can tell me how to stop the list at a point so that you can go back to it I'd be very pleased to hear it. I personally find this frustrating when checking the work prior to uploading and again from memory I asked this a year ago and met with .. nothing whatsoever and have not managed to find out for myself using the usual sources either.

Arch, if you are reading this - not a lot changes does it now. QED.

Well, this isn't Bill... and moreover I'm not sure that replying to your post is rising to the bait or dignifying it with an answer - it's always terribly difficult to know with you, Jonathan. Once again you post a notification of an update here, and they are always appreciated for we are all interested in experiencing the very best woodturning art. However, once again you seem upset with comments meant to be useful and helpful. That's your choice. And although your difficulties with extensions to Dreamweaver are understandably frustrating, it doesn't change the fact that it is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

As for links to turners' sites that I have found that appear to be broken:

Andy Binfield Matthew Calder Phil Irons Scott Irvine (the given link directs to a new site, soon to be broken?) Paul Khosla Laura Ponting David & Abby Woodward (and the link to their gallery)

Good luck in the New Year with your growing collection, and with the upcoming re-write of your wonderfully personal site. As I recall, this re-write was also planned the last time we discussed your site. I hope that in your re-write you continue to display your collection with your obvious passion and joy.

Michael Latcha - at home in Redford, MI

Ok, let me address the problem of the list going back to the beginning when one clicks on a name...

With a brief look at the source of your page, it appears that the javascript function controlling the scrolling is called P7AniMagic. It would require a rewrite so that when the page was scrolled, an indication of where it was is saved. And, when the page is displayed, that indicator be referenced and the list be positioned properly.

Another possibility is that the 'sub-pages' be shown in a different window rather than the same window. Then the position of the list would be unmolested.

The second fix you could do. The first would require rewriting the function which I suspect you cannot do. At one time in my life I could have but I'm rusty and, anyway, I HATE javascript -- a terrible programming language.

In any event, I think that the functionality is not worth fixing for reasons I've stated before. Use a more traditional approach to list navigation and everybody will be happier.

One more thing...

The disabling of the right click in an attempt to preserve your property

-- the images of the pieces? It is successful against only the most naive of thieves. I can show you the easy way to access and copy every image on your site and you can contact me off-line if you want me to prove it. Better yet, I've just sent you an email message which proves my point.

Better security is possible but would require some sophisticated programming -- I can think of some ways of doing it. Perfect security is not possible.

Bill

The Daniel Collecti> I meant to add this into the above note - if anyone can tell me how

I'm not sure how you have the scrolling list setup, but I think the issue is that when you return the link to the artisit in the right hand list with their work in the left hand frame, you are also reloading your main page as well? For instance, it seems that when I clikc on the artist in the list, it reloads the right hand frames (list and your main links) along with the images of the artists work in the left hand frame. If so, you are essentially reloading the original image of the scolling list which starts at the top.

I am not aware of any fix to that specific problem other than use a blank target for your link page so that it does not refresh your page with the scrolling list. Using this you have to live with multiple windows open which can be a distraction in itself. Or live with the scrolling list refreshing to the top and put the list in some order and use anchor tags to guide your visitor down the list to where they were before.

Perhaps the reason you didn't get a reply a year ago is because you've not given nearly enough information to allow anyone to actually offer you any real advice. I cannot tell exactly how you are scrolling your list since you've effectively hidden the details of how your site functions within a (non-standard) frameset. There are many ways to scroll such a portion of your pages, and any assistance offered depends on the techniques you've chosen to implement.

In general, because web pages have no inherent latency you'll have to either leave cookies on your client's computers to "remember" or pass information between your web pages by using forms or the querystring, then jump to the specific portion of the content, perhaps with named anchors. I'm not sure what specific method would be more acceptable to you or compatible with your layout.

Michael Latcha - at home in Redford, MI

Thanks for the comments - particularly on the site 'issues'. Yes I think it has to do with the reload property - I guess that's one problem with using a 3rd party extension and the comments are helpful. Unfortunately I do not have the time to learn Javascript with my current [day-job] workload and the rewrite, when it happens, will take up a considerable chunk of time, something I do not have the luxury of at the moment. Hence the 12+ months delay.

It's been an interesting experience revisiting this Usenet group considering all I was doing was alerting turners to some new pieces. Let's see what happens in another years' time.

I've now gotten through your frameset and also found the scrolling function that Bill is referring to. "P7AniMagic" is a bit of obscure and non-documented JavaScript code that Dreamweaver has inserted into your site, as it often does. There are a few discussions online about this function, but none that seem useful for what you want to do. Good luck trying to change it.

A year ago we also discussed how simple it is to circumvent your disabled right-click to keep people from taking your images. Again, your choice as to whether you want to implement anything more sophisticated.

One last thing... below I spoke of "latency" when I meant "persistence. Sorry for any confusion.

Michael Latcha - at home in Redford, MI

I'll back that up. I have a program that will download your entire site, including images if I so wished. And, I've done it with sites that I would rather read offline. I'm far from a hacker, and the program is free.

I'm not computer literate, nor am I interested in becoming so, probably a stubborn/stupid defense of my past mistake in concentrating on op amplifiers and analog computers. However, since "ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise", I can simply acknowledge Jonathon's work re turned wood objects. Serious collecting is work and an integral part of our mutual craft-art, hobby-business, ?-?, necessary for any craft to thrive and art to grow, all the more so for an infant art.

So not being interested in the complicated science & mechanics of computers, I can simply thank you Jonathon, for including this forum in that part of your busy life concerned with supporting and sharing the best of turned wood. I don't recall that any other serious collector has posted to RCW. That you have done so and now added an update seems to me to be a valuable and unique contribution to this forum and I hope for many more.

ps. I only know Jonathon Cuff thru rcw. I don't even know why it's the 'Daniel' instead of the 'Cuff' collection. Anyway, you all can relax. A turning of mine will never be a part of it. :)

Warm regards, Arch

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well, given a background in analog computers - I wonder - if you look at a pleasing form as the impuse response of a filter, does it have a distinct LaPlace (S dommain) representation from one that is unpleasing? Homework assignment for the student - I'm curious but I'm not going to do the math right now

I wholeheartedly agree Arch. Well said.

Thank you Jonathon.

I haven't used an analog computer, in well, 30 years!!

Hi Bill, You give me too much honor (translation, you found me out). I'm also analog illiterate. I can drift my car's wheels, but I can't do the math because I don't have the foggiest notion how to. Those forms and transforms are way beyond my 1+2=3's. I do vaguely remember a long time ago trying to get old LaPlace to transform my op amps so they could differentiate, but the noise could always outrun the signal.

As to the mathematics of pleasing forms, I can't even wing that one so I best stay with Plato's forms, whatever they are. :)

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter