I turn, therefore I am, what?

I've heard that If I sell my turnings I might be a professional. Does it matter what I turn or where or to whom I sell my turnings, or even how many turnings I sell or their quality? I read somewhere that a professional is a person with exceptional abilities. Does this mean that if my work is quite good, I need not sell my work in order to be a professional woodturner?

If my work isn't outstanding and I don't actively market it, am I therefore an amateur? Amateurish implies that my work is of poor quality, or that I might be a beginner. I hope I don't belong in either camp. I've been told that I might be an amateur and still do good work if I turn just for the pleasure of doing it and not for profit. That suits me better, however If you would like to buy a creatively priced bowl from me ...

I considered that I might be a professional amateur, but that sort of makes me an expert at doing poor work. Could I be an amateur professional? I hope not, that might make me a poor professional.

I have to wonder if it matters much or at all what woodturning pigeonhole I occupy. Opportunities for my growth as a wood turner/artist either pro or am are plentiful and are easy to find. Of course. my knowing about them isn't quite the same as my successfully utilizing them.

Maybe being accepted into a guild or voluntarily joining a subset of woodturning professionals (or amateurs) would define my turning life, but either tunnel might eventually isolate me from friends on the path not taken? I can think of myself as a professional or as an amateur or both, but no one else has to agree or give a damn.

Maybe it helps me to remember that amateurs built the Ark ....professionals built the Titanic. :)

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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There is one person who truly appreciates any hint you are a professional.

Your insurance guy. I recently learned that if he even suspects you are selling home-shop products or services he is more than ready to increase your insurance bill. Special coverage on your equipment, plus dust and safety criteria to maintain coverage.

Best to stay amature on a cash-only basis.

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Arch

Also remember, when you are an amateur, no one wants your opinion on anything and when you are a professional everyone wants your opinion, then everyone questions your opinion. There is no win-win - it is better to keep quite and keep everyone guessing!

Ray

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Ray Sandusky

The way I heard it is that a professional is an amateur who gets paid.

Bill

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Anonymous

damn, Arch.. it sounds like you have nowhere to turn and no one to turn to.. *g*

If you pay $50 for wood and someone pays $1 in a garage sale, I think that makes you a pro...

I make a real good profit on the wheel chocks that I make for other RV'ers, but I sure don't consider myself a professional wood worker...

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mac davis

Hi Arch

You know I turn and I am contend, I turn and am feeling good, I turn and I don't have a worry in the world, I turn and feel good, I turn and people like the stuff I make, some pay good money for it, but that does not make me a professional turner, it helps to make me able to buy another tool, pot of glue, or roll of sand paper, and keeps my shop, house and basement from becoming a warehouse of " round wood ".

Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo

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I think the "normal" meaning of "professional" is: Someone making a living from some profession. If you do not make a living from it, you are not professianal, and your work is amateur.

If you still make beautiful things, you can possibly be rated an artist, but if you do not sell, you are still an amateur artist.

If you are a professional, you can also deliver lousy or sloppy work, and still sell. People tend to forgive a professional a lot (He's got to make a livin', poor guy), but they never forgive an amateur (silly old geezer, he should have known when to hand in the towel).

So, it seems to me, you have the choice between making yourself happy or making the others happy.

Or - maybe you get even happier selling your happiness to others?

The more I think about this, the worse it gets; Arch, why do yo bring us such problems on a sunday morning? Well, have a nice sunday, and many happy turnings:-)

Bjarte

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Bjarte Runderheim

I agree, I go to some of these craft shows, and see people selling woodturnings. Some are beautiful, and some look like crap. They are selling, but their wook looks so amatuerish, should we call them professional? Glenn Hodges Nashville, Ga

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Ghodges2

I think this reply is closest to the truth since it identifies and separates the business from the craft. Dan

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Dan Bollinger

If they're selling, I'll bet they wouldn't care you call them.

What's in a name, save to the IRS?

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George

I view the terms "amateur" and "professional" not in terms of the quality of my work, but in terms of what is expected of me. If I give someone a turning as a gift, they're immensely happy, and end up cherishing the gift - not just because of the beauty of the piece, but also because of the thought behind it.

When I exact payment for a piece, I am instantly expected to live up to a certain quality - the object must be perfect, and needs to stand the test of the free market in terms of price and demand. Suddenly, all of those thoughts of friendship become "Could I have got a better price somewhere else?"

You can take the same object, give it as a gift to one person, and sell it to another - and the person to whom it was given will see it as perfect, where the person who purchased it will see it has "very good, but with a few flaws." That's why I don't sell any of my turnings.

steve

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Dear Arch,

I think you have too much time on your hands....you might try washing some off.

Have more fun 'cause fun is good!

JD

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Jack Davis

JD advised, "I think you have too much time on your hands....you might try washing some off."

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Dear JD, I take your point, thanks. I considered soaking my hands in LDD, but for me, there is never enough time, and I shouldn't waste others'.

I just found the time to add Pro vs Am to the Craft vs Art, Gloss vs Glow, Grind vs Hone, Gouge vs Skew and all those world views that are a better use of rcw's time.

Thanks again for your timely advice. Have fun.

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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