LDD/air drying comparison of Madrone bowls

I just got done with a drying test similar to Fred Holders, except that I used a mix of 45% LDD, 45% water, and about 10% alcohol (I had some left over from my DNA soaking experiments and rather than throw it away, I mixed it). I took a center slab of a Madrone log, about 20 inches wide, and 3 inches thick. I cut in down the pith, and took bowls from each half, and cored each bowl. The bowls were about 9 inch diameter by 1/4 inch thick, and the cores were 6 inch diameter by 1/8 inch thick. One pair I soaked in my mix before drying, and the other I just let air dry (no wrapping in paper). The weather was perfect for air drying, mild in the 70's during the day, and mid 50's during the night. It was cloudy most of the time, and there was some rain. The results were much the same as Fred's (I won't bore you with the details in grams per day). They dried at the same rate, and reached equilibrium at the same time; the thinner ones in about 10 days, and the thicker ones in about 14 days. Does this proove anything? Well, along with all of the bowls that I have air, DNA, and LDD treated and dried (a thousand or three, I don't count them), my observations and this test indicate that the drying time doesn't change in any measurable amount. I haven't counted, but the cracking rate doesn't seem to change either. There was a lot of movement with the Madrone bowls I tested, but not more than is usual for Madrone. I was told once that the LDD and DNA will reduce the surface tension in water. This may effect the way that the water leaves the wood, but not the over all rate. The only real difference that I notice is the way that the bowls sand out. I turn to finish thickness, and then dry before sanding. I like the warped shapes. The LDD soaked bowls sand out a whole lot easier (less burning, less clogging, longer sandpaper life) than the air and DNA dried bowls. Would someone else do a sanding experiment, and see if they notice a difference. For the LDD, I mix 1/2 cheap brown soap, and 1/2 water. Soak for 24 hours. Drain, and rinse lightly. Air dry for about 2 weeks, or until most of the fragrance has faded (do they make non scented LDD?). Then sand and finish. There is no after taste of the soap that I have noticed. The scent of the stronger woods (walnut for one) isn't eliminated by the soap. Please note that this was not a scientific experiment, just observations. robo hippy

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robo hippy
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I've got some bowls that I used LDD on, and am waiting to dry. It was fresh-cut mulberry (fruitless), aprox. 10" round, 2" deep, rough turned to 1" wall thickness, latex paint coated and wrapped by a paper bag. I've got a few bowls that were roughed and drying the same way, but no LDD treatment. I'm drying indoors, since it's getting too hot outside now for this.

They've been drying for a couple of weeks now, and still isn't ready. I plan to post results when dry.

My understanding of LDD is not to quicken the drying time, but to better 'stablize' the wood from warping and cracking. Which really caught my eye, since Mulberry is highly prone to cracking, and I've got more than enough of this stuff in my back yard. About 1/4 I'll have to throw away because it's crack too badly. There really is no such thing as 'firewood' in Las Vegas :)

If what is said is true about LDD and sanding, then I'm looking forward to it. I'll let everyone know of my experimenting in due time.

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Brent

====>Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more; or close the shop up with our fractured and mishapened bowls. (With apologies to Will S.)

One of the reasons why I launched into this great enterprise was so as not to have to sit/stand/lie around waiting for wood to dry. As outlined in "The World-famous Treatise on LDD," the bowl/item is not meant to sit and dry after roughout or almost final turning. The Treatise proposes soaking the green wood in the LDD when not working on it and then in one go, finish turn, finish sand and then immediately apply the finish coats. The water vapor is temporarily trapped under the finish and then slowly, days, months, years releases it through the not quite impermeable finish layer, So slowly that I have found little to no warping or fracturing of the bowls. This applied to various woods and finishes used. My one attempt at madrone was a failure, as I for some inexplicable reason didn't follow my own advice!

In any event, glad to see that discussion and experimentation with LDD has not terminated due to the counter-revolutionary forces of darkness. *G*

Leif

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Leif Thorvaldson

I traveled over raging mountains, across tall seas, arid swamps and lush deserts seeking "enlightenment." I finally dragged my self to the depths of the lowest peak in the lofty range and found the "Master of LDD, Lief the son of Thorvald." I came, humbly seeking knowledge, and was not disappointed.

However, being the dork that I am, I got it backwards. The odd thing is, it still works! I turn to almost final thickness, soak in LDD for 24-48 hours (depending on my schedule) and then finish turning, sand and finish. Works.

Deb

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Dr. Deb

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