This has nothing to do with beads, but is a page my sister and I put together. Since many here have had employment issues, I thought you might enjoy it. My sister and I have this odd opinion that prospective employers might wish to look at the work potential employees do, rather than their bodily fluids or credit reports. She found the questionaires given during her years of job searching to be...intrusive. So we created our own, for prospective employees to give to their potential employers.
Kathy, If you especially would take a peek at the questionaire and see if you can come up with a few more questions--we'd like to have at least 200. You have such a great take on employment issues!! And please, any of you out there, do let me know if you have good questions for this too. This is an invitation, you shy folk! Sarajane
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:17:34 -0500, Sjpolyclay wrote (in message ):
Oooh, you hit a hot button with me! I find the whole urine/drug/credit/whatever testing to be incredibly offensive. The question is "can the person do the job, or can't they?"
True story: I worked for a company that was bought by a huge conglomerate that is infamous for random urine testing. Even though our jobs had not one thing to do with public safety (we were writing business telephone computer programs), we were told we needed to provide a urine sample for drug testing. They sent in a nurse to get samples from everyone. (Aside: How horrible would it be to have THAT job?)
Nowadays, I'd tell any company who wanted bodily fluids from me to shove off, but I was young, poor and had a mortgage to think about. So when my name was called, I went into the office to meet with the nurse. She handed me a questionaire to see if I had taken any medication that might skew the results of the test. (You guys know where this is going, don't you?) I wrote down the list, which is WAY shorter than the list I currently have, and she blanched.
The nurse said that before she watched me give a sample, (I told you this was incredibly offensive). she had to make a phone call. She called her superiors, and read them the list of medications. While still on the phone, she asked if everything I took was prescribed. I told her that was indeed the case, and if she'd like, I could give her my physician's phone number. Much mumbled telephone conversation ensued.
After a wait, while the poor nurse tried to make small talk, word came down from On High. I alone was exempt from giving a urine sample, because there was no way it wouldn't come out positive.
The rest of my cow orkers were sheep, and no one else even complained about having to subject themselves to such humiliation. I decided that this company was definitely not the right one for me, and found myself another job post-haste.
Will do, SJ. Thanks for giving me something to get my mind around something besides myself. I had a really bad night, and need something to distract me.
Kathy N-V
Obligatory Bead Reference: I've decided on my next ethnic project, ala' the crystal kimono. It's going to be a Russian embroidered headpiece/crown, heavily encrusted with pearls. The focal is going to be a cabochon, but I haven't decided what stone I want in the middle - probably Russian Amazonite or Amber.
For those that don't know, I've decided to make a bunch of sculptural pieces of beadwork representing different cultures. I want to use a different beading technique for each one, and eventually set up a display in my living room to show them all off. (If Bob is going to get his plasma TV, I think I deserve a lighted glass cabinet)
Now comes the "design with colored pencils" phase. I'll keep you all posted on my progress, and will probably be here with boatloads of questions.
I think this is a wonderful topic that could be used for more than amusement. It has been discussed on a creative list I belong too, that some of us are Renaissance Souls, and have some difficulty "keeping" positions because we are not allowed enough flexibility. You might find this .PDF tip sheet interesting:
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if anyone else is interested in Margaret Lobenstein's work:
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'd love to see what you two come up with... will you be posting this?
Thank you! She actually faxed it to one large company who was particularly expecting people to jump though major hoops before they would even answer questions like "What is the salary range". Sarajane
yep, that's what I think. Judge my WORK output, and not in fluid meters.
I'm counting on a few good questions percolating out of your brain, Kathy. If the prednisone taper makes you a bit edgy and irritated, its a perfect time to think up a few! Sarajane
Jane went through this at work. She was, at the time, the intake nurse for a drug and alcohol treatment center. With all the crap she takes, every single one of her urine samples came up positive when, in fact, she wasn't taking anything except her prescriptions. Why the hell didn't they know that?
Kathy -- at least your nurse had half a brain and prompted you to call. Jane got called into the office and asked if she was using illegal drugs. On multiple occasions.
Becki "In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right." -- Counting Crows
OK -- I don't want to give that to anyone who is interviewing me for a job that I want, but I would like to send it to the one who recently "laid me off."
LMAO
Becki "In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right." -- Counting Crows
Some sort of testing (any or even all of the above) is reasonable for many positions: to keep foxes out of the hen-houses, so to speak. A pharm tech or anyone else with access to controlled substances should have a "clean" urine test (no non-prescribed drugs), for example, if only for the peace of mind of the liability insurer. Probably also would be a good idea for anybody working in "high" or "deep" jobs, or with heavy equipment... or, say, "bomb squad"-- and require a physical exam as well, and medical waiver if certain prescribed drugs are used before allowing them on the job.
Also, testing may be used to screen potential applicants. If you, as boss, could hire only *one* person for a job, and 50 applicants had resumes that showed they had the necessary knowledge/skills, some sort of "non-discrimatory" screening is necessary just to "sort" those 50 and come up with a managable number to select for interviews. It won't be known whether or not a person actually can handl a job until s/he actually is "on the job", but screening will help an employer decide if the person will "fit in" and/or be willing and able to follow rules. Somebody with a history of credit problems may not be who you want working in a financial office; too many traffic tickets can indicate a person that is either inattentive or who likes risky behavior-- not good if the job requires strict procedures or safety precautions ALL the time, not just when showing the boss s/he knows what to do.
some>of us are Renaissance Souls, and have some difficulty "keeping" positions>because we are not allowed enough flexibility.And, some of us are contrarians as well as RS's... and find it a challenge topush inflexible work rules to their limits.... Made Navy life "interesting", atleast....
That SHOULD be a question on the form that accompanies the urine sample-- what medications, prescription or OTC, the person is taking! Some OTC meds will give false positives on the general screening-- but there are more specific (more expensive) tests that will distinguish between these and the drug for which they are testing. If they know about these in advance, it's easier (& cheaper) to set up proper testing. Kaytee "Simplexities" on
I know what you mean, Becki! My sister was looking for work and temping, and recently spent over two years filling out forms and sending out hundreds of resumes and jumping through hoops to find a good job with a decent employer. She saw a lot of bad examples, and the questionaire has evolved from that. Sarajane
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