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yep---my motto is "why/why not?" Sarajane

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and I think that's the crux of it--insurance liability and also a desire to make sure the employee will put up with anything in order to get/keep the job. I understand wanting to make sure the Jet Pilot is not drunk or cruising at

10000 ft while still at the airport. What really peeves me is when this kind of thing is done as more of a Power Play.

My DH has twice been denied interviews at the local paper's mailroom, despite impecable credentials managing much larger mailrooms--because we don't have credit. Not bad credit, not good credit. We don't use credit cards, we don't own a home. So, he's not a fit prospective employee? My sister was asked by a major computer company to pee in a jar and have have her credit checked before they would even tell her the job requirements or salary range of the position. Sarajane

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:02:08 -0500, Sjpolyclay wrote (in message ):

I sent you all my questions, and hope that they're suitable. Mine are more focused of the financial shenanigans that I've seen happening at my various employers. I was plenty ticked off when I wrote them, though. :-)

Kathy N-V

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comeatspam (Sjpolyclay) :

]because we don't have ]credit. Not bad credit, not good credit. We don't use credit cards, we don't ]own a home. So, he's not a fit prospective employee?

i had the same thing happen. it truly sucks!

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

's not what you take, when you leave this world behind you;it's what you leave behind you when you go. -- Randy Travis

I looooooooove this, Sarajane!

As for question #133 (whether or not employer supplies uniforms, and the fiber content), an additional question should be:

"If the answer to question 133 is affirmative, indicate whether garments are domestic- or foreign-made, and whether the fibers/fabrics are of domestic or foreign origin." (Or something to that effect!)

Proceeding onward, it could be asked, "If the fiber and/or assembly labor is foreign, is it produced/assembled in a country that uses slave labor or poorly-paid workers?"

All the best, Turtlelover

good ones, Turtlelover! I'll pass them on to my sister. Sarajane

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Well, when subject to military discipline... pushing the limits can be risky behavior. It's breaking federal law not to wear the correct underwear, ya know. And yes, they COULD bring you up on charges for doing so.... Kaytee "Simplexities" on

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnospam (Kaytee) :

]Well, when subject to military discipline... pushing the limits can be risky ]behavior.

and it's not like you didn't have a pretty good idea that discipline would be required before you joined. Jamie's biggest complaint is the off-duty behavior of barracks people!

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

's not what you take, when you leave this world behind you;it's what you leave behind you when you go. -- Randy Travis

Oh, yes.... but like I said, some of us RSs are contrarians.... Besides-- undershirts were more practical for me at the time than were bras. I got my undershirts at the Navy uniform shop, so they were "regulation". I didn't jiggle. Chiefs who prided themselves on being "dirty old men" didn't notice, unless a t-shirt sleeve somehow got exposed (regulation undershirt...).

Additionally, uniform regs say a "traditional appearance" must be maintained-- how many "traditional" sailors wore bras? I had the required 3 bras "in my seabag", in case a seabag inspection was called, but the regs didn't specifically say I had to WEAR one, just to "maintain a traditional appearance".....

Then there were the "cross-dressing" vs "separate but equal is NOT equal" uniform issues.... And, what happened to wearing jeans and chambray shirts to work, just like in the recruiting posters (1970's type)??? "Bait and switch" tactics, if you ask me....

As to fraternization.... well, the military hadn't exactly kept the regs current with requirements for certain jobs. Traditionally, a degree meant a commission. In the medical dept, there were enlisted classifications that required degrees-- I was in one of them. (Now, that classification does not exist-- HM8507, if you're interested.) The stated qualifications for my billet, skills, knowledge and certification-wise, were almost the same as for a lab officer. Most of my "shipmates" with similar education and age were "zeros"; most of my peers rate-wise were several years younger, with little or no college. Not stupid or anything, just not the shared experiences on which to build relationships. Most enlisted my age were married with kids-- and male; not too many wives would be "understanding" if there was more than superficial on-the-job type relationships with their hubbies, even if those hubbies had TIME for anything between their military duties and family responsibilities. The few I knew, male or female, who were of an appropriate age and single and not... ummm... "living an alternative lifestyle" off-duty... well, I never was much for bar-hopping and am intolerant of smoke-laden air... and that SEAL who worked at the front desk was just too spooky....

And, sigh... the only other sci-fi and filk fans seemed to be in Med Corps or Nurse Corps, and the only one who liked to go over to Chinatown for dim sum on Saturday mornings was one of the pathology residents (who was also a Trekie)....

Kaytee "Simplexities" on

yes, that's why I knew from the start that the military and I were not a good match--not even as an adjunct/wife-type! Sarajane

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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnospam (Kaytee) :

]I had the required 3 bras "in my ]seabag", in case a seabag inspection was called, but the regs didn't ]specifically say I had to WEAR one, just to "maintain a traditional ]appearance".....

LOL! understood completely!

]Then there were the "cross-dressing" vs "separate but equal is NOT equal" ]uniform issues.... And, what happened to wearing jeans and chambray shirts to ]work, just like in the recruiting posters (1970's type)??? "Bait and switch" ]tactics, if you ask me....

maybe THAT'S why Jamie loves her camo so much!

]As to fraternization.... ]"living an alternative lifestyle" off-duty...

i was practically rolling on the floor when the "kids" in the barracks were discussing one particular female.

male: "she's straight! she's married!"

girls: "no, she and her hubby are both gay - that's just for the Navy's benefit."

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's not what you take, when you leave this world behind you;it's what you leave behind you when you go. -- Randy Travis

Don't know about now, but previously at most permanant duty stations, the only people who HAD TO live in the barracks are the junior enlisted (or those who somehow got into trouble living off-base)... and most of those are very young and away from home for the first time, with more money in their pocket than ever before, mom isn't there to scold them for misbehavior, and they're "feeling their oats"....

#1 son found out what it's like living with teenagers getting their first taste of "freedom"... it wasn't the paradise he thought it would be, to say the least. If Jamie has sufficient rank, I suggest she find a possible roommate or two, look for off-base housing, and put in her chit for BAQ. Kaytee "Simplexities" on

A "relationship" at Oak Knoll Hosp. that got a lot of titters, was that between "Max", who wasn't exactly flagrant, but let it be known that he spent a lot of social time across the Bay, and a gal whose hubby was stationed aboard a ship.... She liked to party, and hubby was very happy to have her "dating" Max while he was at sea....

And then there was the OR tech crowd.... "Don't ask, don't tell" was in effect long before Clinton said make it so. If it hadn't been, we wouldn't have been able to do surgery there....

Kaytee "Simplexities" on

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnospam (Kaytee) :

]If Jamie has sufficient rank, I suggest she find a possible roommate or ]two, look for off-base housing, and put in her chit for BAQ.

she has the BAQ. none of the possible roommates do yet. she may give up on them and try to find one she can afford on her own. we talked her into waiting until AFTER the surgery mess was over. probably, as soon as she gets halfway back to full duty she will be out of there, and a MUCH happier camper.

what i couldn't get over was the "Mom, I just cleaned my room - don't make a mess!" when i got there. this from the child whose room you couldn't walk through when she was a teenager. she says living in a barracks full of women at basic training cured her of that forever. "when you live in a barracks full of women who are all slobs, it really opens your eyes, Mom!"

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's not what you take, when you leave this world behind you;it's what you leave behind you when you go. -- Randy Travis

vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnospam (Kaytee) :

]"Don't ask, don't tell" was in effect ]long before Clinton said make it so. If it hadn't been, we wouldn't have been ]able to do surgery there....

exactly!

----------- @vicki [SnuggleWench] (Books)

's not what you take, when you leave this world behind you;it's what you leave behind you when you go. -- Randy Travis

Actually, being a dependant spouse is harder. I know-- I've been both.... At least as an active duty member, you're a "real person" to the PTBs; a dependant has to use his/her active duty sponsor's SSN as ID, has to have the sponsor sign forms in order to get most of the benefits, sometimes has to be accompanied by the sponsor when applying for benefits (like base stickers for your car). And the "Wives' Clubs" tend to classify you based on your husband's rank, no matter what your own accomplishments are (and overseas, the "Wive's Clubs" are about the only social groups around for spouses of active duty military).

Kaytee "Simplexities" on

if allergies result from the wearing of the uniform, who will be responsible for the creation of a new uniform, and for the medical care resulting?

mary

I noticed that, and knew it wouldn't work for me, I ask too many questions...my boyfriend in my last year of HS was of a Navy family, and went on through NROTC on to MIT. He was great, but seeing the base and the ways of the military were like observing another culture as an anthropologist. Sarajane

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Yep... I never could quite go completely native. Luckily, I was in the medical dept-- Fleet deplored our lack of "military bearing" but needed "docs" too much to come down too hard on them, and of course, med dept personnel considered it a sacred duty to annoy the "Green and the Gray" as much as possible, without actually doing something that would get them up on charges.... Kinda hard to justify a "captain's mast" for a corpsman for standing slumped with hands in pockets, but that really ticked off the jarheads... and a Castro District lilt affected by a MSC or MC officer set every squid's teeth on edge, but again, can't bring charges against somebody for having a funny accent.... Kaytee "Simplexities" on