OT and Right on topic! What is pretty... what is art...

Right On, Harry! Got room on that soapbox for a couple more kindred souls? Diana, singing, love, love, love....

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You GO, Harry!!!

I love Harry~

marie~ "For what are we without hope in our hearts..." Bruce Springsteen

< Thank you and yes there is plenty of room for those who want to join me in dodging the tomatoes and other items being tossed. lol

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< Thank you... I guess you could say this morning was quite an awakening for me and I hope others will know that it's OK to be you and it's OK to do what you do. :)

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BTW... the answer you are searching for.... Passion!

Harry

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Ahh.... shucks...(giggle)... thank you. (looking down twisting my hair and kicking dirt)

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No tomato tossing here.

I am at a loss why you thought your necklace was ugly though. I too thought it was wonderful!

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:29:54 -0500, starlia wrote (in message ):

Hey Harry, was it because of the voices in your head? I thought the necklace was lovely, and apparently, so did the buyer.

Tell the voices to shut up.

Kathy N-V

You Go King of Paua!!!!!!

< Yes... it's those old ghost voices from yesteryear that keep telling me aweful things and most of the time I beileve them. I will tell them to shut up, but many times a few slap me. Thank you for your wonderful comment. I thought it was beautiful also and I know NOW the buyer does also. I do believe... I do believe..

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OK. This is a sort of standard definition or fine art. Art is a combination of "art"/"vision"/"poetry" and skill using materials, or craft/artisan skills. It may be pretty or not. It is a well executed expression of inner vision produces from "what's right in front of you" vision.

Most people are more interested in craftsmanship than art. In pretty -- something comfortable, not something the triggers too much thought. And most crafts persons are more interested in variations the innovations -- trying something new, not something unheard of.

In this less lofty definition of art there are indeed some basics. A class in color is fun, because even if you have the best instincts, you can sharpen then some more left brained information. While exposure can also help improve your instincts. Especially if someone is color-blind, a color class will help make work that more people, especially those who are not color blind , can appreciate.

There are also ways that the eye "likes to" travel, and thus there are composition classes, that will help eliminate some things that are uncomfortable. Or maybe make them uncomfortable on purpose. Some of these patters are culturally bases, but others seem to be universal.

A part of composition is balance. It can be symetrical, or not, but balance is very important.

So is there right and wrong in Fine Art? Yes. Is there right and wrong in art? Yes. Is there right and wrong in pretty? Yes. But mostly there is variation.

Tina

:) You may want to print this out and take it

something in me that I though was dead many years

or what I find appealing to me! Is there a

item or items art? Who has the right to tell

isn't pretty? Is there a final answer that

beautiful person who figured out they have a right

that she was different and she had two

brain loved orange hair and her right brain loved

liked or disliked it! Thank God! The same is true

wants everything to be exact and perfect.

Yes you have two of them and yes they look

other is on the right side. How would it look if

in the world do you have to insist on your

morning and it kind of upset me... I was angry

do it! They are all different and NO two are

reason I love Paua shell is that ALL of the

exact. If you hate me for it... oh well. :)

Everyone of them are different! No two are

did with them in it! It was so much fun

placed in the necklace are different sizes,

is another necklace I made.. my very first

wanted it... until... that one day a beautiful

life. Everyone around me said it was the

broke my heart and I was going to pull it off

it and I had to send it. I wish I could hold

much as I did. I would wrap my two arms

make Harry happy. She loved my ugly little

her. She may or may not let herself be known,

countless times I told her to send it back and I

you couldn't possible like it. When I mailed

dog ate it. No lies here. I was absolutely

wonderful item that I created and sent to a far

people.. everything that is created needs love.

creation means... LIFE! If you have made anything

it... caress it... and if anyone else doesn't

loves it. Art teachers really tick me off! Color

I DO!! I was kicked out of art class because I

and the morons never knew till I was in the

it... it's what I see... don't tell me I am

love it... why in the hell should it matter if

< Thank you Debbie! :) When am I going to get a chance to steal.. er buy some of your wonderful items? :) Debbie is a wonderful artist and I will have some of her stuff soon. :))

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So if a person is uneducated/unskilled he/she can not create art. Ok got it.

So don't explore and don't change anything. Don't be different. Ok got it.

So make sure my world is miserable and be sure to please others first. Ok got it.

So what I see is wrong and I need to see what others see. Ok got it.

So it's fine art if the majority of people say so. One voice defines if it is art. It's pretty only if I say it is. I don't see any variations. Ok got it. Just what the art teacher told me. She was always right and everyone else was wrong. Art is art. It is not something to be graded. Picasso draws a bunch of geometric forms.. puts an eye in one.. hand in another.. scatters colors everywhere... people call it art. An autistic child does the same thing... people call him stupid? I disagree in your logic and I feel that art, fine or any other is art. By the way... if it isn't "fine" art... What is it?

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I majored in ART when I first went to college. I made all A's & B's, so I thought I must be "getting it". But my "art advisor", who was also head of the department, told me I did NOT have any "natural talent" and I might do OK if I kept trying, just OK, maybe mediocre, nothing great, you see. And since I was only about 19 at the time I BELIEVED HIM. I switched my major to something else, quit drawing/painting/creating "art" all because of some nitwit's arrogant opinion. I kept on doing crafty things, because I just HAD to create, but thought I wasn't an artist because HE said so!

I think the key to art is the soul of the artist, someone who perceives and shapes and makes - whether anyone else acknowledges it or not or recognizes it or not. Of course part of the process is trying to perfect your craft - as well as trying/inventing novel ways of expression. By "perfect" I don't necessarily mean making something that is flawless, but something that is mature and meaningful.

Often the people who get the acclaim, fame and $$$ in any culture for what they create fade from history because what they do turns out not to have lasting value. And the way to fame is often paved with a lot of politic-ing & who-you-knowing & all that jazz. Some of the greatest artists in the universe - Van Gogh comes to mind - get no recognition by their contemporary culture, but are practically worshipped by later generations.

Still - I believe the creative process is worth investing in whether your efforts rise to the level of "art" or just bring joy to yourself. I consider myself an artist because of who I am, what I've made, how I perceive. Whether some gallery or association or jury thinks so is irrelevant to me.

IMHO, of course!

< Oh no no no... not at all. I just wanted to wake up peoples minds and explore what art or Art is. If I made anyone angry I am sorry, but maybe some people need to be angry so they can see what is or isn't art/Art. I know I totaly ticked off Tina and am going to reply in a sec. :) Didn't mean to BTW.

Harry

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:) I think what you just wrote is how you personally envision art. I love that the definition of art is different for each and every person. I don't think we as humans can put a clear and provable, factual definition to art. For me, art is what is pleasing to me, or what evokes a reaction in me (negative or positive). Mother Earth (Nature) is my favorite artist. I love color and sensual form. Curves, geometrics, flowers, color and light are all very pleasing to me.

Awww Shucks Harry.

I'm trying but not physically able to do anything this week. So I just fondle my beads and look at the magazines. Trying to be patient.

LOL

Yes I'm upset. You asked for information. I gave some. You turned my co-operation to seem like I was attacking you instead of co-operating. Trying to change my intentions is much worse than misquoting to me.

You go ruffle someone else's feathers. It's disrespectful and a very poor way to have a discussion. It's not nice, it's not real, and it's not cute.

Tina

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