Re: OT Lest anyone see me as harsh

Then why are you still here, you stupid bitch?

You live in St Louis and you went to See's when you could have gone to Mavrakos? :-) My dh was in mourning for months when they folded, he adored their chocolate covered strawberries....

Kar> This explains nothing, nor does it give any easy answers,

I haven't had time over the summer to visit. We bought a new place with a big garage and 3 beedrooms . What a difference from a single wide. We have been renovating the old trailer as a rental,, busy with a new pup and I haven't put my beads back up but I am getting close, as I am a foul weather beader. Nice to see Ms Pnats back as I luv rebel elements in any micro society. Ya know, I love the dreamers. The first thing I wanted to know about beading was if I could make a living from it. But then again that went for music, stocks,karaoke,leasing karaoke..everything I do now. I couldn't stand life till I found my parachutes. To the gal who asked the "wrong questions".....Screw the rules and find your own way. In every field people are snarky, arrogant, defending their territory or specialness. Artists are no different. They are not any nicer around here than anywhere else. They throw whatever weight they can, omg, especially experience......ohhhhhhh. Ya can't contol it, roll with it, with your mind above all things , on your vision\goals. Take the knowledge you find and add it to your kettle. ignore the cackles and carps about shoulds and shouldn'ts and breaking the rules.

Lifes too short to not blow by them and create the life you want.

I'll bill you a nickel for the advice.

Beej

So Beej, Is this a Freudian slip, "a new place with a big garage and 3 beedrooms". Or are you going to use all those rooms for "beed"ing?

Tina

anddefending that position,is abuse. I am the abuser.

Every news group I've ever been in, somebody started this "you hurt somebodies feelings. I'm leaving." stuff. Then people started taking sides. Then more people left. New ones came, the exact same thing happened again. Eventually the groups died. This is neither a playground, nor a battlefield. What it is, is an open forum where people can (and should feel free to)post their opinions, observations, assistances and irrelevances. As in any conversation, things get said, usually accidentally but occasionally not, that cause someone else's feathers to get ruffled. Intelligent adults open a discourse, air their views in a non-judgemental way and attempt to come to some sort of an agreement. Even if it is just to disagree. Children pick up their toys, stomp their feet and announce that they are going home. And off they go, all in a huff.

To those involved in this melodrama -- which one do you want to be? Barbara Dream Master

"We've got two lives, one we're given, the other one we make." Mary Chapin Carpenter

I grew up in Los Angeles, CA. My grandfather had a warehouse downtown, with all this wonderful stuff in it. Head lamps, hoses, clamps, chain. All kinds of stuff. He would buy surplus from the govt. and sell to the trucking companies. When I was a kid I would spend hours taking fittings out of the end of hoses and what-not for him. Then we would go get candy. I 've only been in St. Louis for 16 years.

Barbara Dream Master

"We've got two lives, one we're given, the other one we make." Mary Chapin Carpenter

I've been reading this exchange on and off and starting to think how childish. Barbara makes some excellent points. I tend not to get into so much of the discussions of family and personal problems, to much information to open a arena, how should I price this/what should I price this- to many variables and there are basic business guidelines, how is my work, I often see stuff I don't like or think is poorly executed but if you say this the RCB world jumps your a** because you aren't kind, when truthfulness is often the kinder answer. Techniques and suppliers I don't mind giving, shows I might if I was in the show because this is how I make money and the jewelry area is over crowded, and basic business skills need answers but then you get some really negative feedback here if you are blunt.

I really appreciate all those that take time to share their technique and experience with tools, supplies and such. That is the major purpose of the group from the title. The secondary purpose from the posts is a neighborhood/sisterhood of support. Support doesn't always mean sweetness and comfort but often someone needs a reality check. Sooz offers reality checks and that's her style, she also offers all the rest. There are posters here that post all the time and regulars like myself that only post when we really have somethng to say. This group offers both types a forum but when everything becomes a pi**ing contest then the mix gets bitter.

All those involved in this pi**ing contest need to step back and take a breath. Life goes on and how you react to the world around you in whatever area affects you emotionally and physically. I love the title, haven't read the book= DON"T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF. This is small stuff here in comparison to the total scope of life.

Susan W

necklaces, anddefending that position,is abuse. I am the abuser.

Excellent post, Susan - I totally agree. So this is an official Me Too Post! :)

Ditto. Life is too short. Seek peace and pursue it. Who is "right" is what makes women war. So unnecessary, peace is more important than right. (Men war over territory, women and assets)

Ah.... you would have been there just a year or two before they closed then... We got married in 1987, and they closed not too long after that I think.

What fun with your grand dad. I worked in a hardware store in highschool - such fun with all the 'doo-dads'... :-)

Karin

Howe nice to hace 3 beedrooms. =) Congrtas on yer new howse!!! What fun!!

Words of wisdome!

anddefending that position,is abuse. I am the abuser.

yep, manipulative cry for attention is all it is.

Not all leavings are the same. Ive seen my share of "I'm leaving" type posts. There are two kinds. One is the melodramatic door slamming attention getting kind and the other is a mention of leaving with no pathos. A kind of "I wont be here for a while until I can get my head in a good place" kind of post. Im going to believe that that is what Deidre and Sooz intended to say...till I have evidence otherwise....

Of course the least dramatized ones are the ones where the people in question leave without mentioning it. But what fun is that? :-) Diana

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"Barbara Otterson"

All of my best memories were because of that old man. I'm certain he's the reason I'm so obsessed with old hardware stores. And probably responsible for my obsession with old grave yards too. Esp. this time of year. Barbara Dream Master

"We've got two lives, one we're given, the other one we make." Mary Chapin Carpenter

Hey, See's is my favorite! Especially Bordeaux Bars. Um, so, I guess people want to take the high road?

(Does that count as an explanation or is it coming across as a blatant ploy for chocolate?)

You love hardware stores and grave yards? We do have a lot in common!

I am so absolutely entranced with hardware... especially OLD harware... that I make my husband nuts whenever we drive in the country, insisting that we stop at every old junk store or surplus.

Sooz, I love you and I don't want you to go. I love Dierdre too, and she's my friend too, but for some reason the two of you are like my two best friends when I was a kid... like oil and water. Or maybe more like bleach and ammonia!

I know I am days and days behind the group, so I'll find out the outcome when I get there, but all I can say is that I hope it turns out OK.

I leave without mentioning it all the time... for years, I have left my favorite groups silently, but there usually is *some* warning... like having a new baby, divorce, new job, moving to another state, stuff like that. I often end up fading out without ever properly saying goodbye, but I always come back. Except to the pregnancy one... I hope I never go back there! (Wonderful people, but a topic I am not planning to be deeply involved with ever again.)

Which reminds me, if I vanish altogether in about a week, it's because I'm moving, and I'll come back soon! OTOH, if I end up not moving I'm sure I'll cry about it endlessly on the group.

I agree with this. I find it to be extremely rude. I have seen people

*graciously* turn down advice, or explain why they felt different;y, but to ask for advice and then to get defensive about suggested changes is plain rude. It pushes my hot-buttons too. I used to participate in rec.arts.poems, and they will rip your little poems apart... and if you're looking to improve your writing, you can learn *so much*. If you debate the critique with bitter words and hurt feelings, you will learn nothing at all. Compared to the barracudas (helpful barracudas) at RAP, Sooz is your Fairy Godmother.

Neither mean to be rude. Both are incredibly helpful. And both can hurt your feelings if you're not going in expecting professional-level criticism.