Questiion about FAQ and Charter

You go through the same request for discussion/call for votes process you'd use to create a new newsgroup. See

further information, you could hang around news.groups or go through old posts there.

Thanks, Ron.

That looks like a lot of trouble to go through just to kill a couple of spammers and trolls.

It is. And that doesn't even count the work that you commit to if you're one of the moderators. That's not much work here, granted, because of the low post volume, but it's still work.

The best way I know of to kill spammers is to get a good newsreader that lets you filter on the Newsgroups or Xref header and just kill anything that's posted to more than three or four groups (I'd say more than one group, but we do get the occasional on-topic thread here cross-posted to r.c.beads.) That doesn't get the really determined ones who post the same spew to individual newsgroups one at a time, though.

An alternative, mentioned in the moderation FAQ, is to get everyone to agree to put some sort of sigil in their Subject header to identify the post as on-topic, then use your newsreader to ignore any posts that don't contain the sigil. In a group like this where we have so many newbies and such low volume, that probably wouldn't go over so well.

The best way to get rid of trolls is to ignore them. Unfortunately, the Brady twins aren't your usual kind of trolls. Without someone to point out that Dennis is untrustworthy and a liar, he's likely to sucker some newbie into giving him money, so we can't all killfile him. Sadly, that also means that those of us who have killfiled him still see the toxic waste that results from each of his posts. (And it's not possible to killfile the replies on the References header, as his message-ids appear to be too generic.) The best we can do is hope that he eventually gets it through his thick skull that his continued antagonism here is costing him revenue. Sadly, that would require him to have a clue how to run a business and/or how to be a functioning member of society.

I vote Moonraker as President of the Internet.

30-06 X 100 yds, ought to do it.