Slumping advice needed

Hello,

I'm new to fusing and molding, but I have a potential client who wants specific geometric patterns in dinner plates. Given his request, I've decided to go hexagonal. The borders on the lines, circles, etc. must be clean and clear. I'm especially concerned that the design will warp during the slump. Would a great advantage be gained by firing clear glass on the same plane as the colored designs? What I mean is using a clear base, and, rather than fusing a single blue square on the top, fusing a single blue square surrounded by clear glass.

I would think that this could provide a good amount of resistance to curtail the curve on the borders and keep them sharp, but I am not certain about this. The six sides around the center will be used in the designs.

Can I expect good results when using streamers in the fuse? I've been reading the group for a week or so, so I've seen the tips on selecting glasses with the same COE, et cetera.

When I create the first design, should I create a disk to be slumped, or should I cut the sides (like a 6-sided snowflake) and eliminate the darts / excess material that would gather at the corners?

I've thought about creating the patterns inside the mold, and then fusing them all together, instead of separate fusing/ slumping phases?

lastly,

I've thought about prepping the (purchased)and fuse, and asking a local stained glass shop to slump it, because I haven't got a kiln yet. Would any Fort Worth stained glass shop consider this, or is this kind of request too unprofessional?

Thanks,

Chris the Unwise

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Chris Wallace
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OK Chris the unwise, Time to be wise, out of curiosity, where are you buying the supplies to do this project for your "potential customer"? Seems to me those are the same people that can offer you the most help on what you are trying to accomplish, and they are right there where you can explain all these questions. These are very basic questions that are usually covered in novice classes, have you taken the basic classes before jumping to clients? That might be a good idea. Then head on over to warmglass.com where this stuff is discussed daily. Not that anyone here doesn't want to help, its just that there is so much info there already posted waiting for you to harvest it.

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Javahut

Hello,

I'm new to fusing and molding, but I have a potential client who wants specific geometric patterns in dinner plates. Given his request, I've decided to go hexagonal. The borders on the lines, circles, etc. must be clean and clear. I'm especially concerned that the design will warp during the slump. Would a great advantage be gained by firing clear glass on the same plane as the colored designs? What I mean is using a clear base, and, rather than fusing a single blue square on the top, fusing a single blue square surrounded by clear glass.

I would think that this could provide a good amount of resistance to curtail the curve on the borders and keep them sharp, but I am not certain about this. The six sides around the center will be used in the designs.

Can I expect good results when using streamers in the fuse? I've been reading the group for a week or so, so I've seen the tips on selecting glasses with the same COE, et cetera.

When I create the first design, should I create a disk to be slumped, or should I cut the sides (like a 6-sided snowflake) and eliminate the darts / excess material that would gather at the corners?

I've thought about creating the patterns inside the mold, and then fusing them all together, instead of separate fusing/ slumping phases?

lastly,

I've thought about prepping the (purchased)and fuse, and asking a local stained glass shop to slump it, because I haven't got a kiln yet. Would any Fort Worth stained glass shop consider this, or is this kind of request too unprofessional?

Thanks,

Chris the Unwise

Reply to
Chris Wallace

Ummmh....let's see, now. You are new to fusing and molding, don't have a kiln, "maybe" have a client, and you are worrying about appearing unprofessional? Actually, you aren't "new" to fusing and slumping...the correct term is "wannabe". Or "delusional".

You've been reading a news group for a whole week and now you are hanging out your shingle. Wowser.

I'm wondering how you come up with a "client" without having any samples or even the capabililty to produce an order? What is even more strange is that someone would "commission" an order to such an (apparent) rank amateur.

Maybe you ought to invest the money in a kiln and some glass and go figure it out on your own.

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Moonraker

Moonraker was just being testy.... I understand your situation. The best thing to do is to contact a local glassworker and get a working relationship and pricing. There may not be much room in this project for you. Custom fusing can be very pricey. Good luck!

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jk

relationship

Why don't YOU send her a video tape of how to do it?

I noticed you shut up your bitching about JavaHut not sending you a tape. Must have gotten it, eh? Funny you didn't find it necessary to give him a public "thank-you" after all the grief you heaped on him.

Reply to
Moonraker

Now, now we're all friends here, quite obvious the person had no idea what's what (and that Moon is trying to drop his lead levels again, can be a very exasperating thing to do,) especially while trying to earn a living.

We will just see what mr?ms Unwise decides to do...... me? I'd punt...

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Javahut

Enough already Moon. Find something new to chat about. You have made at least 10 times my mentions re: tape in your effort to join in and be funny. Here yet again in this thread for no reason. This was a private joke on a public message board between 2 people that know each other, that you jumped in on. Neither of us complained. Now you're being just plain nasty, to the poster and to me. I dropped it a long time ago in case you didn't notice. It's time you did as well. I did Java a huge solid in return, that may translate into huge bucks for him, and it's really none of your business. Us oldtimers don't want or need pats on the back in public.... just business. Maybe Java is right about your lead level affecting your demeanor? As for this poster..... after reading the entire post, not just the beginning, I heard a cry for help. I suggested he contact someone like you for pricing. You jumped on the poor guy. Maybe you should go back and re-read it all? Let's relax and have fun, while helping the less knowledgeable.

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jk

And now you are psychic? You know MY reasons for saying something? Hummmh.

This was a private joke on a

Let's see? Just who was it that made the post about his kids going hungry? Who was it that made the post(s) about their mailbox being empty, several times? It didn't sound like any "joke" to me...more like an attempt to badger or publicly embarass someone who was going to do you a major favor. A favor which, by the way, was going to end up costing him sales. And you know exactly what I'm talking about. A "private" joke on a "public" message board is sorta an oxymoron, eh? You don't want someone to comment on something, don't post it.

Now you are playing NetKop, telling me what I can say? I guess you can use your old killfile if you don't like it. Or, kiss my butt. Either way.

I did Java a huge solid in return, that may

If it wasn't any of my business, why did you feel it necessary to mention it? Other than to salve your guilty feelings? Or to puff up your flagging ego and image here on the old newsgroup? Somehow, I have the feeling that Java has forgotten more about the glass business than you will ever know.

Us

Ummmhuh. Yeah, right. That turd don't float.

IF that is the case....at least "I" have an excuse. What's yours?

Funny that. I didn't see a single person who specializes in warm glass respond. And you didn't either, except as an excuse to rip me. Because you didn't have a single thing to offer in the way of "help"....other than to advise the OP to ignore me because I was "testy".

I suggested he contact someone like you

Why? I don't do warm glass. At least, not for anyone but myself and my own enjoyment.

You jumped on the poor guy. Maybe you should go back and

Why? has the content changed while I wasn't looking? We have Chris the Unwise who doesn't even have a kiln asking technical questions about fusing and slumping? Someone wanting to design and sell a product with no idea how to produce it, or even if it could be done. The advice he/she got from me and Java was basically the same. They were in over their head on this project, from a rudimentary skill level. While it may not have been what they "wanted" to hear, it was good advice, nevertheless.

Go learn "how" and then go into business is usually how it is done.

Reply to
Moonraker

Geez..... call a guy testy and he goes berserk! I didn't attack your manhood, or cuss. I didn't call you an asshole. I simply called your response testy. You then attacked me as you did that poster. If you think that word was a personal attack than you are wrong. I treat everyone like I like to be treated, as a gentleman or gentlewoman. The whole tape thing was obviously way over your head. It was purely a joke, between 2 guys. No embarrassment was ever intended. We're big boys. Sorry you decided to take it personally when no one else did. My silly posts about it were enjoyed by all. I dropped it a very long time ago. For some reason you keep bringing it up? I apologize for getting you so upset Moon. It's obviously all my fault. I never will call you testy again. We all love and respect you, and your knowledge. It's only a newsgroup, and it was only one comment. Have fun!

Reply to
jk

Beserk? I thought it was quite rational and very well put.

I didn't attack your

I guess we have a different viewpoint. I look at my response to you as self-defense, not as an attack. If you had differing advice to give the original poster, that was fine. But to assail me as "testy" with the apparent intent to add credence to whatever you were going to say was over the top.

Maybe you ought to make a tape of your interpersonal relationship skills so us boorish louts out here in fly-over country can see how to deal with you high-society types. ;>) You got treated just like you treated me, and you didn't like it one damn bit. And I didn't start it, you did.

No. What's over YOUR head is that I asked for, and got a tape, within a few weeks. And I didn't find it necessary to hold a very nice man up to ridicule or browbeat him to get it.

No embarrassment was ever intended. We're big boys.

That would be your take on things?...that you are funny and nobody else is? Don't trip over your ego. You managed to take my comments to "Chris the unwise" personally. Nobody else did, except you. Apparently we have a double standard going on.

Apology noted. Now, let's let the whole thing drop.

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Moonraker

Testy....

(that was a joke Moon)

JK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios

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JKSinrod

Jesus folks call it like it is: Moonbeam is an asshole. full stop.

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Boner the Cat

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