Chatelaine pattern material substitution?

I purchased the pattern and materials for Chatelaine's Egyptian Gardens Mandala (beware - the threads and beads are very, very expensive), and thought - why don't I see how they show against some evenly woven silk material I have? SO - I tried them out on a pale tan material. They, of course, looked absolutely fabulous.

Now - how to work a design intended for 32-count material on a "regular" fabric? Just to make it even more fun, some parts of the pattern are over-one.

The only thing I can think of is creating or finding a ruler that is

32-count. Except, I suspect I'll have more luck finding one at 16-count, and even then it won't be terribly precise.

Ideas, anyone?

TIA, as I wonder about my sanity sometimes........

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fran
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For your sanity's sake, I would suggest you get yourself some very pale

32 count silk/linen and forget the fabric you already have.

Elizabeth

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Dr. Brat

Do you suppose waste canvas would work and does it come in 16 count? Dora

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bungadora

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fran

Do you have any 32 ct in any color? You could use that as waste canvas, and pull it out when you're done.

Trying to do 'over one' on 16ct waste canvas would be a pain, I would think.

jenn

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Jenn Ridley

The pattern "Egyptian Gardens Mandala" sounds absolutely stunning! I tried to find this chart on Google, but didn't have any luck, nor did I with Hoffman .

But, but, but, 32-count "is" a regular fabric .

It's by far MUCH easier to convert a pattern from 16-count fabric to

32-count than it is the other way around, particularly if the original chart uses "over-one" stitching for 32-count. If converting over-one stitching from 32-count to 16-count, then each (square) set of four single stitches (on 32-count) has to be converted to one single cross stitch on 16-count -- not a very easy task, particulary since partial cross-stitches will most likely result (after conversion).

Another point to be concerned about is the beads. Do the beads used with the original pattern specifically fit 16/32 count fabric? If so, the beads probably won't fit if a different count of ground fabric is used (11, 14, 15, 18, 22, 25, 28, 35, 40 etc.). Of course, the beads can be converted too (most of the time???). If seed beads are used on

32-count fabric, then perhaps larger "regular" beads can be used instead for 16-count fabric? As a suggestion, it might be a good idea to make a test swatch????

Good luck.

Sky

P.S. Use the color of your choice for the fabric, regardless of its count.

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Skyhooks

My advice is don't even try it. I just finished a large Chatelaine yesterday (Alhambra Garden), and IMO you will be driven mad trying to stitch it on "regular" fabric. Take a piece of your fabric for color, or match it to DMC and get a nice piece of linen or evenweave. There are lots of different "tans" available and it will make your stitching much more enjoyable.

Sara

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Sara

Helen, Chatelaine designs can be seen at

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Commence drooling.

Sara

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Sara

Here's the chart for those that are interested

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Cheryl Isaak

Over "one" on waste canvas isn't that difficult because it is a "double thread" type fabric -- two threads sitting right next to each other woven in both directions. You have to "scooch" the threads apart so that they are evenly spaced in the area that you want to stitch over one. Of course, if you aren't used to doing this, it's a royal P.I.T.A. and a 32 count even weave fabric would likely be easier to use when stitching over one and over two in the same design. CiaoMeow >^;;^<

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Tia Mary

Thanks, Sara. I had tried the ".com" version and didn't have any luck. I never figured to try ".net" to the end of chatelaine. Martina's designs are definitely something to drool about . Thanks for the website address.

Sky

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Skyhooks

Oh, I stitch on silks. The material I plan to use is some I bought for my Japanese Embroidery. I've just never tried to stitch a "structured" design on a very fine weave before, and so wasn't real sure how to maintain the required spacing. The waste canvas idea sounds like a good one. I plan to buy some and test it on a scrap first.

The only thing I think I have to be real careful of is to make sure I don't warp the fabric as I attach the waste to it, as the design is 19 X 19 inches, and so a pull will be very noticable. This will be on of the times where careful preparation will be absolutely imperative.

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fran

I like silk as well, more for tactile than process reasons probably.

Are you backing the silk with muslin? Staystitching all three layers together with grain aligned might be enough to keep the fabric from warping out too much.

Be sure to report how your experiment works out. Dora

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bungadora

Oh my goodness.... I'm now about to become totally broke! And I just spent too much on a Saturday trip to the not-so-LNS (it's in the next state, about 120 miles away...)! The Allhambra is stunning! Heather drooling at work again...

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Heather in NY

RESULTS OF TEST USING WASTE CANVAS

I decided to try using waste canvas on a scrap of silk. I found I had some 14-count waste canvas fron Zwiegart already, so I sandwiched the waste canvas, the silk, and a scrap of light-weight interfacing.

I basted the interfacing to the silk first, then basted the canvas to the pair.

I tried two tests: the first with the waste canvas straight out of the bag, the second after washing the canvas first. For both tests, I stitched a pair of 5-stitch by 5-stitch squares at 14-count at an angle so they meet at one corner, and two sets of two 5 X 5 squares at

28-count, again at an angle.

What I found is thus:

The unwashed canvas is very stiff to work with, and you will have to dampen it before pulling the waste threads out. However, the floss lies very smooth and even on it, and you get a very precise stitch with it.

Pros: even, smooth stitching Cons: stiff fabric, have to dampen the canvas to pull it out, which may cause issues with the silk floss.

The pre-washed canvas is easier to stitch on, and pull out, but the stitches themselves are not as smooth or as precise, especially when doing the over-one or 28-count stitches.

Pros: being pre-washed, don't have to worry about getting silk floss damp, is easier to stitch and handle Cons: Much harder to get even, smooth stitches on the over-one stitch blocks, as the threads move around (the starch holding them in place is gone).

My Conclusions:

1) test the silk floss first for ability to withstand getting damp (not wet, just damp), and if OK, use the unwashed canvas. It will be a pain, but will result in much nicer stitches.

2) baste the material sandwich every two inches to prevent the layers from sliding. It may even be best to remove the waste canvas after finishing each concrete section. This would, of course, depend on the pattern, but in most patterns, you can find "stopping points" where it would work to do this.

3) Use shorter lengths of floss (18" max, 12" prefered) because pulling the floss through the tight weave wears it down fast.

4) Use an embroidery sharp, not a tapestry needle (I used a # 10), and keep an emory bag handy so you can clean the needle frequently. This really helps in pulling the needle through the material. I ended up using the bag every time I loaded the needle.

So: The waste canvas idea is very do-able. The stitching looked nice, and so I'm going to try this. It won't be until later this year, as I have a couple of deadlines on other projects to hit first, but I'm looking forward to it - a new challange!

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fran

I'll have to try this sometime. It might be a good technique to use with crazy quilts in silk, although with all the layers of fabric I might need a set of pliers. Dora

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bungadora

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