Advertisers pay the site owners in order to advertise on their high traffic site. The higher the traffic the site can generate, the more desireable a location to advertise on, which then generates higher advertising income for the owner, and on and on. It's insidious, and that's my problem with it. Both sides are profitting off of us, and we get nothing.
Jinx
I can't explain if you won't listen. You insist it's bad manners, and I intimated that, based on your tone, you are the last person who ought to be dictating manners.
Jinx responded to me in a civil way, explaining the situation. I think there's little we can do about it. The web is changing.
By the way, I finally remembered the "keeper" of rctn, Kathy Dyer. Anyone madly interested in cross stitch should visit:
snipped-for-privacy@fl.it wrote:
"Tone" eh ? Well do YOU think it is good manners to use rctn and others for financial gain totally without our permission or blessing ? Would YOU call that good manners ? I wonder if they suddenly decide to hijack your web site you will like them so well then !
Sigh - just the other day you claimed everything was my fault !
I remember Kathy but I would also point out to you that she might have had suggestions on how things should go, but she did not have authority to create by-laws etc. There are a few very old usenet groups that did have charters at inception, but they are few and pretty soon they learned they had to go to a moderator if they wanted to enforce the charter.
I remember Kathy but I would also point out to you that she might have
RCTN has a charter. I posted a link to it the other day. What Kathy did was gather a consensus of opinion about advertising based on thousands of posts and votes. Long before you arrived on the scene. I was here just as RCTN split from RCT. It was agreed that we would allow designers and stores to post about their freebies, new designs, new fabrics, new threads, etc. That this was helpful to stitchers. That we would encourage them to also join group discussions, which many of them did. Kathy, at one time, had all of this on her website and people were referred to it for clarification. Unfortunately, she has taken that down. Yes, some designers were overbearing. But the way they were treated was nasty and uncalled for. In usenet, it is so easy to filter or skip posts. No need to get mean.
Dianne
Charters are not enforceable unless the group is moderated.
Depending on how you read the various groups, if for instance you read with google, it is not possible to filter anything.
Some may have been treated nastily, but then some were very unattractive in the methods they used, thinking MLI, but I will remind you again, don't imply I was, that is incorrect.
Wow. Things certainly have changed since I used to post here some years ago. There seems to be a lot more spam and I am not sure what happened here with Bettye's post. I am sure that she didn't mean to make trouble. Still just wanted to say that I am happy to see that you have all stuck it out with all the changes and that I will always know where to come to find the needlework experts who will actually try to help. Though I may not always have anything to say I will always be reading.
The post could just have been ignored, but it seems that is the only thing that gets a discussion going lately. If a post bugs one why not just press delete??? Isn;t this basically the same discussion as last week??? And don't we all know pretty well how each stands on this issue??
Ruby
The whole point is, poor Bettye did not know she posted here, she was used !
Since you seem to want the conversation and can't just let it go:
You intimated we didn't have a charter. You were wrong. We do. We also had a consensus about posts. People pretty much stuck by it. There were always those who didn't. That's human nature.
I understand you can't filter if you don't use a newsreader. Usenet was not meant for Google. That's a stop-gap measure. You want access to Usenet? Get a newsreader and access of some sort. Otherwise, you'll fall prey to the pitfalls. Nothing in life is perfect.
It's not up to me to judge for an entire group whether some used unattractive methods or not. My opinion is not the same as the next guys. Are you trying to speak for the group because there is just a handful left? You certainly don't speak for me.
I tend to give the benefit of the doubt. It was gently explained to me about rss feeds and the misuse of usenet for profit. I can't help that. It can't be stopped. Everything changes.
Dianne
now she is poor Betty??? and not a nasty news group crasher??? Ruby
Gee whiz--that sounded kind of nasty to me--could I be wrong and it's a sweet message disguised as a nasty one.
L
I understand what you were saying now. And I understand why you responded to her the way you did. She just got involved in a bad situation. Why can't we have a moderator ? Is that something that is no longer possible?
Well I didn't really respond to her, rather to the operator of the forum. Probably be better if I had not done so hee hee !
I am not sure about a moderator - think that would have had to be done right at the beginning. If it required a consensus...well the mind boggles :) (rare smiley)
Thank you Ruby. I am not sure why you are picking on me, that's all you have done, you have not posted to the subject.
Currently life is very difficult for me but I have prevailed so far and I really do not need you on my case.
Not so rare. most of us know that is the real you Sheena . LOL! not everyone knows that maybe so they are apt to get deeply singed by those lightning bolts too early for wine so ducking. LOL! Ruby
would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?? ruby
actually figured out the life thing with your first post reply on said subject . not all that rosy for some others of us here. just trying , apparently with no success as usual to get through how hurtful your whiplash tongue can be. You know you can just say you are having a lousy day and share if you wish instead of lashing out .
Sad and sorry and wrong as usual Ruby PS seemed you were looking for a fight to let off steam so was just trying to be helpful.
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Show me a quote of my 'hurtful whiplash tongue'
I was having a difficult day maybe, remember no husband around here to run after my every little whim, but I have perforce become accepting of that
Take your pseudo psychiatry and stuff it !
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