Obtaining UK food when living abroad

On 3/22/07 7:40 AM, "lucretia borgia" wrote:

No that's not at all the thing. Maybe where you live the "time" that a work day, etc takes hasn't changed in 40 -60 years, but it certainly has here. And was your work week a 60 hour week, or a standard 37.5 hour week, or 35 hours or 40? Here, even a "40" hour week doesn't include "lunch" - and the

40 hour work week is usually 50 or more. And, memory does have a way of coloring things - for all of us.

The standards that seem to have gone into "a normal day" have shifted. Kids have more stuff scheduled into their days, etc, and working is a bit more hectic with traffic and hours.

I am not suggesting, nor did I , suggest buying rubbish food. What I did suggest was there is something to be said for being able to purchase semi-prepared foods as a time saver. I know that they've had that at M&S for at least 25 years, and similarly better grocery shops, and some private shops have that here.

Sure, and in my house we had dinner together, sitting at a table, as well. My mom worked, and after school I'd often go with her to do the shopping. But, she'd be home from work around 5 - not 7. Dad wouldn't get home til later - and we'd eat with him at 7:30 typically.

That same family now - around here - mom is lucky to be home at 6:30 or 7 - making for a very hectic rush to get everyone with food and around the table by 7:30 or so. Sure it takes organization, and eveyone doesn't want to eat something from the crockpot or baking all day - everyday. Or mushy vegetables - which I know you never did.

It is definitely a balancing act. If your workday has you leaving the house before 7, and not getting back until after 7, starting to cook at the time - well if you want more than the simplest - puts dinner pretty late. And most people like a few minutes to come in, wash up, etc. Certainly many young people aren't well organized - no argument. OTOH, I was referring to the issues that seem to have arisen with the growing class of working women, or professional women. You know - those who have jobs that are like those which in their culture were traditionally held by the man of the household. The jobs where you can't just leave because your time clock punch out time ended, or your shift ended. That sociological shift brings with it other issues. And, when I was working in France I really noticed it. I would go to work around or before 7, not get back until after 7, and was struck with the fact that there were few options of the "casual" or fast way to get dinner cooked. FWIW, the boss of the group I was working with (my bosses counterpart) is a woman, with a teenager at home at the time, and she certainly felt it. Heck, our best friends- she's a professor, he a scientist - 4 kids (though 1 at college now, 1 out but still home) - their schedules are amazing. And they're pretty frugal with the groceries - he does the shopping - she does most of the cooking. It's really hectic - but they've always tried to have everyone at the table for dinner together - but you never know what is getting slapped together on a weekday. And she teaches at night 1 night. If anyone is running late -which happens a lot around here - then even for them it turns into an occasional let's go grab a quick bite, or see what's already prepared in the freezer, etc.

In a Metro area like here - traffic can cause you to spend huge time in a commute 1-3 hours . The average commute has gone from about 35 minutes to more like an hour plus. With totally unpredictable problems. It's not just me. A huge business has sprung up of "commercial type" kitchens where you go in, and do a 3 hour cooking session - with your friends -the company supplies the recipes, the goods, and you do all the prep - then leave with trays ready to be put in the oven or somesuch - for serving. Nice recipes - makes it a fun thing - and people go for an evening session or a weekend - and come out with 3or 5 meals. And, it actually works out to about the same price as if you'd gone grocery shopping separately. Big thing in this area, I think there are about 3 companies doing it. It helps the less talented in the kitchen to do more complicated dishes, and is like a bulk cooking thing

- so all the time is blocked at once. We have some friends that really like it - the local one is called "Let's Dish" .

Yes, no doubt going crazy using prepared food costs more. But not for everything is it outrageous - heck, even COSTCO has prepared main dishes ready for the oven, etc. My point is that it's nice to have a choice that you can work into your budget. Not discussing welfare families living on McD's.

Choice - it's a concept. Time in kitchen versus a meal costing a few dollars more (prepared foods - as in pre-seasoned meats, or casserole dishes aren't the cost of a restaurant). And sometimes, it's nice to have an option of either a good carry-out, or a helping prepared food. Not all the time. As a choice. What's time worth versus what you're doing with that time. Doesn't work for everyone, but options are a nice thing.

Yes, and we all know that whatever you've done everyone else should be at that standard. Sounding a bit crotchety and superior there.

Whatever - I'm sure you are the shining example of female talents and wisdom that all of us should aspire to meet. I'm just pointing out that as it happens times have changed a bit, and options are a nice thing. Period.

ellice

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ellice ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

Snipped thinking of people with dial up !

Really ? I didn't read all that you wrote but I guess you sound bitchy !

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lucretia borgia

So have I. I had a DH who wouldn't eat leftovers, so I had to cook every night after work. And he was a picky eater besides.

One day, you put stew in the crockpot. The next night, you come home and toss chicken and potatoes in the oven (takes an hour to cook, but two minutes to prepare). The next night you boil up some spaghetti and toss it with shrimp and garlic butter. The next night you toss steaks on the broiler and microwave a couple of potatoes. The next night you boil some rice while you're baking fish.

In the time it takes to make Hamburger Helper, you can make the same thing homemade without so many preservatives. (OK, I'll admit, I did use jarred spaghetti sauce for the Hamburger Helper lasagne.) The "hard part" is that you have to think ahead and buy the ingredients separately instead of just one box.

If time is of the essence, you learn to cook in the microwave. Mom's quickie special is a whole chicken from freezer to table in 20 minutes.

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Karen C - California

Karen C - California ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote: and entertained us with

I also made great use of a pressure cooker and when I had extra time off midweek and I was the only one home (yes, I know, not working long hours, I just took time off in lieu for working overtime lol) I would often have a multibake, things like cottage or shepherds pies, lasagnas, seafood casseroles, all of which went into the freezer for days when perhaps I worked past supper time and David had to feed the kids (men did less in my day) or when I just felt I didn't want to bother.

The nukers had not really hit the market when I needed them but I do make excellent use of mine now - I find it is excellent for fish. Also for quick defrosting lol I do still bake for the freezer and rarely purchase anything ready made. Like your mother, I can still feed the starving hordes when they arrive without notice.

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lucretia borgia

I'm probably going to regret asking this but what is Hamburger Helper?

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Bruce Fletcher

I personally never made it, but it was served to me many years ago. I think it's a mix of pasta and dried stuff that turns into sauce to which you add water and chopped meat or chicken. It's then supposed to cook into a kind of stew.

I'm sure there are many people here who do use it, and I'm sorry if I'm insulting them, but to me it tasted ick,ack,ptui and kind of looked like canned dog food.

Lucille

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Lucille

The one that is even more amazing is called Kraft Dinner. I think it is supposed to be a relative of macaroni cheese. My XDIL once turned her nose up at my home made chicken soup when she had 'flu and told me if I really wanted to 'comfort' her, KD would be her choice. Being a somewhat dutiful MIL I went and bought some, came back, read the directions and made the stuff. what a travesty that was ! I asked her if I had done it right, I couldn't believe anyone could actually like it !

I think Hamburger Helper is somewhat similar. You cook some hamburger (mince) in a pan then add two or three packets of stuff and voila, some minutes later you have this hamburger that has presumably morphed into something nicer.

Trust me on this, if you have never had either gourmet experience, you can go to your grave and have missed nothing lol

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lucretia borgia

Another Penguin lover! I discovered them 20-odd years ago while in England as a child, and they made such an impression I still have a friend in London mail me some every once in a while. And on Saturday I'll be buying my own! :) Keep an eye peeled at your Costco Ellice, I found them at mine twice (in about 5 years) and they freeze wonderfully.... Heather Leaving for London in 33 hours!

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Heather in NY

I used it sometimes, because my kids loved it. It is a box of the dried ingredients for many different dishes; lasagna, cheeseburger, stroganoff, chili beef, mostly with dried pasta, but sometimes dehydrated potatoes. You brown the "mince" which is ground beef or hamburger this side of the pond. Add the contents of the package and a certain amount of liquid. It all cooks up into a casseroley sort of thing.

This, with a salad and veggie, was really useful in my working days.

Gillian

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Gill Murray

I won't agree with you on the looks, but I will agree with you on the ick, ack, ptui!

The sauce mix for the lasagne had an off taste. The cheese in the cheeseburger had an off taste. The sauce in the stroganoff tasted like no stroganoff I'd ever had.

XMIL apparently served it to her kids quite a bit, so I got complaints that my version of Hamburger Helper Lasagne "didn't taste right". We did keep a box of that one in the cupboard for him to mix up on those nights when I was working late, since it took very little knowledge or talent for cooking to fix it.

And I suspect that is the reason HH is so popular ... I was positively stunned when I got to college and found most of my dorm mates had no clue as to even the most basic cooking. I kept some canned vegetables in my closet for those nights that someone missed dinner, and invariably, after asking to borrow a can of veggies and borrow one of my pots to cook it, I'd then be asked "how do you cook it?" and then "would you cook it for me?" How damn dumb do you gotta be to not know how to heat a can of veggies?!

But it seems that most of my generation grew up with no training in cooking. My first roommate when I moved to California liked tuna sandwiches. So she buys the cheap can of tuna, brings it home, opens it up, and goes hysterical. OK, I whip up a tuna salad for her so she can make a sandwich. The next week, she buys the more expensive can, opens it up, and again I have to whip up tuna salad for her. The next week, she buys the most expensive brand and is stunned that even at that price, it is not coming out of the can pre-mixed into salad. So she finally breaks down and asks me, what should she be looking for on the can so that when she opens it up she can just spread it on the bread? And I'm trying to figure out, what kind of upbringing did she have that she doesn't even know how to mix tuna and mayo?

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Karen C - California

I grew up with a mother who never allowed me anywhere near her stove. Her problem was first it would take me too long to get things done and two I might dirty her stove. I guess I understand a little better now that after a very long day's work she really just wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible and eat dinner and get the kitchen cleaned up so she could finally sit down.

She was a pretty good cook and I guess I learned a lot by osmosis. We lived in a small apartment and I was usually in the kitchen with her doing homework or whatever at the kitchen table.

Then of course there was my theory on cooking. If you can read, you can cook. Just open a cookbook and follow the directions.

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Lucille

You`re not alone, Bruce - John frequently yells at the TV and/or the radio!!! Even louder if he hasn`t got his hearing aids in!

Pat

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Pat P

Although both my mother and my grandmother specifically taught me to cook a few things (which gave me experience with both a gas stove and an electric), there was a lot I learned by osmosis.

Like everyone else, I hated college food, so when I had the option to go on five-day meal plan, I took it. And sometimes surprised myself, standing in the A&P, with the number of things I could come up with to do with various foods, and if I thought about it a bit, how many of those I could extrapolate how to cook. Occasionally would have to place a one-minute call to my mom or boyfriend's mom, "what temperature do I set the oven to bake X?", until BF's mom gave me the helpful hint of "assume 350".

Are you my mommy? Because that's what she always says.

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Karen C - California

Ah the magic words - Macaroni and cheese. It should always be in a males survival kit. I prefer the larger size macaroni with cheese and I can consume a package at one sitting. Whenever I came home from a business trip macaroni and cheese was always the first meal my DW would make for me. I never could figure out why hotels NEVER had macaroni and cheese on their menus.

On another matter, I recall once when a hotel waitress asked me if I wanted some desert. I said, "Yes. Please bring me a bowl of ice cream with four or five stewed prunes with lots of juice on top." She looked at me like I was some kind of "Okie." Surprise - Surprise - it took a while but the chef whipped it up and best of all it was free of charge. Why?? cause he made enough for himself - said he hadn't had it since he was a kid.

Fred

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My DW hates the nuker and I have never mastered it. Our DS uses it sometimes and he will nuke hard tacos for me when I ask. I like the melted cheese effect. The one we have is flashing 00:00 which probably means that it will blow up if I touch it.

Fred

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I've never combined prunes with icecream, but shall try it. I love prunes, the old fashioned sort that are not sweetened to death.

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lucretia borgia

Yes the nice big puffy macaroni and cheese. Catelli is the name I think. It is hard to come by in this area.

All KDs turn me off. LOL

Fred

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Oh - just how do you know this?

Cheryl

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I'm reading "destroy" versus "erase" right??? If so, I think that effort might have the same results as trying to clean gunk of the cylinder heads of a 350 truck engine in DW's self cleaning oven (want the screen play for a movie - Wrath of the Titan?) Geeeesh I think she was hotter than the bloody oven. LOL

Fred

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