I have just emailed Larry King (CCN) to request that he have Martha Stewart, Paris Hilton and Scooter Libby all on Larry King Live at the same time. I'm not sure what topics would come up but you can bet it would be one HOT show to watch!!
OR MAYBE IT IS JUST TIME
To change the pre-amble to the USA Declaration of Independence from;
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal," to read "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all women and men are created equal,"
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nothing changes, nothing changes.Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
Oh I dunno.... I thought it was pretty interesting when she claimed she was finished with "playing dumb". I guess now we're going to see just her natural level of Dumbth, and not an exaggerated version. Because what I've seen/heard of her on the talk shows, she doesn't strike me as the next Einstein. Doesn't even strike me as the next Edna Blumenstein.
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I've asked a couple transsexuals exactly that question. And they've looked at me rather oddly and questioned why I consider it too big a PITA to put on makeup, which they consider to be a fun part of their day. They looooove getting dressed up, and I love living in jeans.
I guess, TM, that you and I are just men at heart. ;)
Wanted to ask the same question , esp since i kn ow quite some Blumensteins here in Israel , and Edna being a HEBREW Name ,,,, i wanted to ask where she lives ,,,, mirjam
During the Scooter Libby trial there was a fair amount of coverage and legal opinion out and about here in the DC area. It seems from what I recall, several legal scholar types thought given his lengthy time of public service (prior to the Cheney staff thing and this incident) it would be very unusual for him to actually be expected to serve jail time. Synaopsizing, but in general for this white collar crime when someone has put in a career of service in the public sector the tendency is for that to be used to counter actual jail time. That said, the expectation would be he's still a convicted felon, loses the associated rights, likely loses his license to practice law, has to pay enormous amount of money, and has a pretty ruined life to some large extent. I still think it was a horrid thing to do, but people stalking power positions around here - of all political persuasions, ans in various agencies do all kinds of things in manipulating knowledge & communication. So, there was a lot of surprise when the jail time came down, rather than a 2 year suspended with probation kind of sentence. It was said that throughout the trial he was a very cool customer, no emotion really showing, but that when the sentence was handed down it was a clear shock to the attorneys and him, and he completely was overcome. Plus, the next thing was normally in these type of cases the convicted person is given time to start the appeal, get their affairs in order, with the reporting to jail date set in the future - a la Martha Stewart. In this case, the judge called for a very near term reporting date. I believe these are the things which led to the sentence itself being commuted. But, note, there was no pardon issue, so all the other penalties are in effect. I've heard that there is some effort to have Scooter Libby inform on some related topics, but that he has not been amenable as yet, and who knows what else went on in the background. But, there was some news blurb that possibily a Senate committee, IIRC, would be having him in with the informing in mind, and likely an offer to pardon some of the crimes he's been found guilty of.
Martha Stewart lied, was found guilty in her trial by jury, and had months to prepare her affairs, appeal, etc before reporting to jail. Also, there was no counter of having served years in a public service type position. She's just a wealthy, intelligent, able to use her skills to keep getting wealthy, person. Who figured that participating in a securities exchange commision breach (insider trading) was just fine, and got caught on the technicality of lying about it.
Yup. And you wonder about Larry King - what a see saw on his show. The Beatles, Paris Hilton, and then Colin Powell. Jeez.
Perhaps I am getting old but I don't see what serving years in a public service position has to do with getting a more lenient sentence. I don't expect the fact that I spent 12 years in the RAF and was a civil servant for 30 years to influence a judge or a jury if I am found guilty of an offence (criminal or civil). I would expect previous "good character" references would be taken into account but "good character" does not necessarily mean you have held a public service position.
I am with you on that Bruce. One of my cousins had a girl friend for some time, a very nice woman, somewhat barmaidy but great fun, masses of joie de vivre and those of us in the family who met her, liked her and hoped the relationship would come to something. Ultimately it didn't and she went on to have a relationship with a retired Air Vice-Marshall and then suddenly, he upped and strangled her.
We were all very disappointed to read it in the papers and to top it off the judge let him off saying "AVM Whatever was a very honourable man, who had a 'glorious war record' and had never done anything reproachable before" So okay, war record equalled killing people, and even if one has not had even a parking ticket, you kill someone, you should be made to serve time accordingly. We were totally shocked, a vibrant woman and he was allowed to end her life, just like that !
Something very wrong. I feel if MS served her time, so should Libby. I thought justice is blind, but it seems not if you have a friend called Bush.
True. But, that all would be taken into account if you were being tried in an American system.
From what I understand the serving in public service is a typical factor in the esentencing in white collar crimes. And that type of information about someone factors into sentencing of non-violent crimes at all levels across the board.
And, if you want to cast political stones - the person who granted some of the most amazing full pardons was Bill Clinton. Including pardoning the extremely wealthy fugitive husband of someone in exchange for $$$. This particluar guy was actually a fugitive, living in an island who was involved in securities violations, money laundering, and very bad people... But the wife maintained somewhat of a social presence and they donated money, so amazingly he was pardoned. Which is beyond a commutation of sentencing. Bush could've pardoned Libby, but didn't. I don't necessarily agree, but in sentencing of criminals, their total persona of behaviour, etc is generally taken into consideration. The judge in this case seemed by all accounts from legal analysts to have gone way beyond what was to be expected or considered reasonable. And in insisting that the sentence start immediately, didn't leave the option of waiting for the sentence to possibly be reduced on appeal. Hence, by the time the appeal went thru the process, a good portion of the sentence would've been served - so it would seem that to be why the commutation.
I remember the pardons which Clinton gave and do not condone those either. If a court and jury goes through the process and finds the subject guilty, then they are judged guilty by a jury of their peers. Why would anyone, for any reason then receive a pardon??
Seems to scoff at the jury who worked hard to arrive at a guilty verdict. There is no amount of public service work, time served in the forces which in my mind over rules a guilty verdict and I would think it is a dangerous thing to give this power to anyone elected for a four year period !
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