Paternayan yarn numbers

Hi, I am thinking about making the pattern "Tinkle, a Cat" from the
book by Brande Ormond, _American Primitives in Needlepoint_. But when
I look at the Paternayan yarn numbers, they are so different! This
calls for quite a lot of Dark Red #201, but when I look at color
charts, 201 is quite a shade of grey! Is there any way to convert
these numbers? I have googled it and had no luck at all.
Reply to
elderberry22
You aren't mixing up Paterna and Paternayan are you? One's British, the other American. Most of the colors are the same, but some are different. Dora
Reply to
bungadora
It's an American book & I'm _pretty_ sure it says Paternayan for the yarn. Will check. ----------------------- Yes, Paternayan. but like I said, when I look at the color charts online, some of the colors aren't even there, and the ones that are, are just different. Gray, instead of red. that kind of thing.
Reply to
elderberry22
Perhaps the publisher mixed the lines up somehow. Might be worth checking out a Paterna color chart just in case.
Reply to
Brenda Lewis
I did a bit more research. Your book was published in 1977. Paternayan colors changed some time in the 1980's I think, so you should be looking for a conversion chart of the old to new Paternayan colors. From what I've read the company never issued a conversion chart although I think there were conversion charts published by other parties. Some magazine called Needlepoint News published one, according to a google of this group. Dora
Reply to
bungadora
As a followup, the only reference I have been able to find to a conversion chart was Needlepoint News, March-April 1982. Otherwise a google search suggested contacting JCA. Their website is
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think I'll do some needlepoint now.Dora
Reply to
bungadora
Thank you VERY MUCH. I was able to buy a copy of this magazine on eBay. Now if I can just figure out how much yarn, I will be set.
Reply to
elderberry22
Glad to help. I might contact JCA myself, just to find out whether they ever produced their own conversion chart. Some of the comments on google seemed to indicate that they did not. Kind of odd it isn't easier to find.
Dora
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> > As a followup, the only reference I have been able to find to a > > conversion chart was Needlepoint News, March-April 1982. Otherwise a > > google search suggested contacting JCA. Their website is > >
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>> > I think I'll do some needlepoint now.> > Dora > > Thank you VERY MUCH. I was able to buy a copy of this magazine on > eBay. Now if I can just figure out how much yarn, I will be set.
Reply to
bungadora
I have a paper chart of the US Paternayan yarns dated about 1990. The back page has the conversion from OLD Paternayan to NEW Paternayan. This paper chart is not handy or I would scan it and email the scan. But it did originate with JCA.
And the difference between US Paternayan and UK Paterna is that some of those lovely colours that used to be available in the US are still available in the UK. The UK have different numbers and no comparison is perfect--I got a shade card from Sew Exciting in the UK for a reasonable sum.
Good luck with the needlework--Irene
Reply to
ellis_chem
What luck! I was hoping to find someone on this newsgroup that might know if these Paternayan numbers have changed. I was looking for #520, for an OLD 1976 project I am working on. No. 520 is a Teal Blue shade now and the color I need is green, which looks like #630. Thank you! This project is one of 3 President's wives; Martha Washington, Julia Tyler and Sara Jackson, from a McCall's magazine.
Susanne
Reply to
Susanne Hackbarth
Yes, to the Dolls, what a good memory! I wish I had all three finished after all these years. I only have a few rows of the green at the very bottom to finish, and then the braid wrapped around the top of her head. I just noticed the top of her head should have been done in continental stitch. Maybe when it is washed and blocked it won't be distorted? I might just frame this rather than make the doll.
Susanne

Reply to
Susanne Hackbarth
Ah well. A bit of distortion is almost a given with continental. I think the degree depends on the quality of the canvas and the frame. Long stitch is nice that way. Almost no distortion.
I always wondered how well those dolls would stand up as a 3D. McCalls used to publish and re-publish patterns later in special editions, and I think that is where I have that pattern. I'll have to take a look later to see if I still have it, or whether I disposed of it in one of my ruthless cleaning streaks. Dora
Reply to
bungadora
Dora: THANK YOU very much. That helps a lot! I just checked a website
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. I have been trying different kinds of green yarn, but haven't liked the results. Would you mind checking the #104-Brown to see what number it has changed to. Then I will call and order these. Two Emb. shops in this town and neither one has Paternayan yarn. Thank you again for your help, Susanne
Reply to
Susanne Hackbarth
Nope, not me. Elderberry just got her magazine from E-bay and she checked it for you, nice lady. I took a look at the pattern though very cute, although my copy has the old numbers. Dora
Reply to
bungadora
I have a Paternayan card that has samples of each color and a conversion chart for Elsa Williams Tapestry yarn. By checking the earlier messages, I see that it has the newer color numbers. The card has five pages of samples and folds in on itself to protect the yarn - all 405 small samples.
Because I have a number of early 1970s books, particularly bargello ones, I would like to obtain a copy of the Paternayan conversion chart. Would anyone who has it be willing to scan it? Or if you would send me a scan or copy, I would create an Excel spreadsheet that has the conversions and send it to anyone who wanted it.
Thanks in advance, Susan in Seattle
Reply to
smj
I tried writing JCA about a week ago and haven't had an answer yet on whether they still have a chart available or not. If I don't hear back from them next week, I'll try writing again. If not, and if you succeed in your enterprise I'd like to have a copy.
I also have a few 1970's patterns I wouldn't mind decoding, particularly a book on Persian rug designs. Mind you, if I haven't been able to get around to them after nearly 30 years there's a good chance I never will.
Dora
Reply to
bungadora
I don't have a scanner, but I can just type them in a few at a time & hope for not too many typos!
Old=New 001=260 005=261 010=262 011-256 012-263 014-327 015-756 017-246 020-465 025-462 026-948 032-236 040-716 050-220
And that is all the zeros. Will try to do more later.
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elderberry22

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