THE DIRECTORY. MY FINAL WORD

No, Niasha, it is not merely a 2 month period of posting that determines one's admission to the directory. While I'm sure Alice can speak for her own process, it is my understanding that she searched back many, many months (at least 6 months) to look for applicants who would be new to the directory (as those already admitted had been scrutinized previously). She looked for the number of posts and wanted to make sure that most were relevant to quilting. (Not that you are... but we do get an occassional troll who poses as one of us -- so our directory people take their job very seriously). Only those who are IN the directory receive a copy of the directory -- thus each member has a vested interest in protecting the privacy of the information included.

While I speak for Alice (and probably shouldn't), please know that no individual was not included out of malice or spite. Most of us were around for at least a year before we were admitted to our first directory. While a certain frequency of posts isn't required for admission -- you certainly must post frequently enough so that those pulling the directory together feel confident that you are a person who is truly a member of our community and someone who can be trusted with our personal information.

While you can neither receive or be included in this release of the directory, we hope you will stay around, post occasionally so we can all get to know you, and then being included next time around will not be a problem. (Remember -- when you respond privately to someone, there is no record on the newsgroup -- so while you may be active in your communications with other members privately -- there is no way our Directory Team would know this.

Please try not to take this as a personal affront. You are new here, we are happy to have you here, and hope you will hang around. You are welcome to participate in any and all swaps that interest you (or host one of your own!) You are welcome to become a part of the HUG group. Ask questions when they arise in your quilting, post answers to others' questions when you think you can help, join us offering hugs and prayers to fellow RCTQ'ers as needed and before long it will be time for the next directory... and you will be warmly welcomed and included.

Kate in MI

Niasha isn't new here - she's been around here for a lonnnnggg time! Doens't post as much as she used to - but she certainly is not new!

Sorry -- I misunderstood... the name didn't ring a bell with me...

my apologies, Niasha.

No, but you did have to fill out the form last September (?) or sometime around that time. Inclusion isn't automatic from year to year.

Howdy!

LOL

Some of y'all really get turned a bit sideways by this thing, don't you? ;-D Looks like it's a privately done project, not a public-access-to-records item like stuff on Usenet (home of RCTQ). The person who owns it can do with it as she pleases. Or not. And does. And maybe it looks a bit like a popularity contest or one for Mzs. Congeniality. Next up: being voted on/off the island? Maybe you want to start an addy/info list of your own? Nothing in The Rules against that. No offense intended at all, 'cause y'all know I just don't *do* the directory. Been here on the ng for 10+ yrs. and never have lacked access to an address: just ask. ;-) (I accept addys sent privately; email as posted.) I don't do polls or telephone surveys, either, and so far, life goes on. Reckon there are several dozens or even hundreds of us that don't do this little ol' directory, and that's O.K.. I like y'all just the same. My point is, go on with your regularly scheduled quilting plans. It'll be all right. I promise. :->

Cheers! Ragmop/Sandy-- pointing out that Yvette Mimieux is ALWAYS the right answer

You just burst my bubble.... (can't you just picture lil droplets of bubble soap dripping all over your keyboard?) I always believed 42 was the correct answer cause I can't pronounce that gals last name correctly and cause everyone that I know of is familiar with

42 being the answer.

Butterfly (who also is not in the Directory by choice. So far folks have been able to get my addy even after I've moved again and again and again since joining this NG : ) Just ask--or ask someone else to ask 'for you' )

I, for one, recognize you, and know you've been around a long time. I realize how much work went into the directory, but sometimes think it's overkill. After all, if someone wantss to find someone, there are plenty of ways to do so. Paranoia sometimes gets in the way of logic. Gen

It is *NOT* how active you are - though being known is a good thing. It is

*NOT* whether or not you are new.

There is an internet form to fill out. A volunteer (this time it is Alice, but I seem to remember others in the past) gathers the information from the forms and compiles them.

The form stays up for awhile. You need to volunteer your info to be in the directory - no one wants to invade another's privacy. So, to be included, you need to fill out the form. Late entries are not added because, I suspect, it is a lot of work and there needs to be a cutoff.

The directory is sent only to those who are *in* the directory... because of privacy.

I can understand you are disappointed. I am too. I missed the sign-up, evidently, and so I am not in it either. And yes, Alice knows me (we live in the same state, and met-up at a quilt show). And yes, I was in the directory in the past. But I was out of the loop for awhile and wasn't checking the ng as often as I used to.

I just have to remember to look for the NG directory post every week or so, so I can get in next year.

I am sure if you want to squish or hug someone, you can find out their addy by asking.

Well I know it took me a year before I got into the Directory. I totally understand how it all worked and respected that everyone looking after it was concerned for privacy and spammers and the like. I applied for it 2x before I was in it, and I understood. I don't like the idea of my name and address all being on a public list with someone who is going to use the information for ill uses! Thank you to those that DO take the time to question those names that are submitted!

And yup, folks do seem to get rather riled up about all this business. I am not quite sure why, or what spawns the feelings. It isn't like this is a new thing to happen in the last few months, its been going on for many years now. No surprise it will be coming up and that you have to input your information if you please, or don't input it if you don't please.

Let's not get riled up over this kind of thing in here, lets not take it personally if we missed the call, lets just sit our butt's down around the frame, grab chocolate and stitch!

Life is far too full of other worthy things to get riled up over than a list of names and address' that can be gotten by a simple email asking for it k?

I know my anger and frustration is held in check for the lack of respect for volunteers at the moment and it gets poured out into a letter and sent out to those it concerns and WOW the feedback was a tad explosive!! Got some response though LOL

Ok, I know I haven't been around a lot and I know I haven't even been quilting or contributing much, BUT I AM HERE SO DON'T FORGET 'BOUT ME K? lol

~KK in BC~ jumping off the soap box tripping over her big feet while being off balance because now her ears are infected along with her chest so she is off balance even more than normally........going back to RCACS paperwork

Niasha I'm sorry this has upset you; but I'm sure the answer has nothing to do with value judgements at all in your case. Your name is known of course. But, there are very many people who were 'members' as far back as you who do not post or read anymore, and wouldn't consider themselves to be part of the group. Things change; which is why the information is collected for each Directory. My details, for instance, have not changed since I 'joined' in 2001.

The *critical* point is whether you were reading the NG when the form for data collection was posted. The *form* is the only simple method available for continued, current interest to be known. I think it was posted in October last year - but my mind is not too clear at the moment. There are several posts in the month to alert everyone. If you happened not be reading up to date material at that time, you perhaps did miss it. This is the fundamental way of inclusion. As long as I remember, (when LN was doing it) inclusion does not automatically follow on from one year to the next - for obvious 'fact change' reasons.

I'm sure that inclusion in the Directory was *never* intended as a kind of validation or, worse, exclusive club. Any 'vetting' which has gone on has been purely for security reasons. OK, nowadays it is easy enough to get the information from other sources anyway. Nevertheless, it is best not to court problems.

All that being said, we must be careful not to allow this to become divisive. It is, when all said and done, a list of full names and addresses - with a few add-ons - of those in the group who are keen to be able to contact others. There is no hierarchy in the group, and nor should there be in a non-moderated group. . In message , niasha writes

Actually Niasha has been around since 2002, and was in the 2005 directory (the first I had), but missed the 2006 one when life must have got in the way.

Just a thought, would it be a help if the Directory Form had a little space for giving a date of the last time you appeared in a directory, or something similar. This would assist the person compiling the directory to check if the person applying was a newbie, or a long-term member who had not posted much recently. They would have a place to start their check.

With so many names, remembering them is so difficult, and Alice did say that the checking of 'credentials' was the hardest bit. I personally would have no difficulty in Niasha receiving a directory, even though she doesn't appear in it.

Niasha, if your info. is the same as in 2005, I will add you to my directory.

The form does have a field for indicating if you are in the current Directory or not.

13 who said they were, weren't 3 who said they didn't know, were 26 said they didn't know 65 said they weren't

Every name submitted regardless of response, was checked against the previous Directory. I do not recommend asking us to check back to the previous Directories to determine when last a person was in it.

Alice

"Happiness is good health and a bad memory."

- Ingrid Bergman (1917-1982)

: > While I speak for Alice (and probably shouldn't), please know that no : > individual was not included out of malice or spite. Most of us were around : > for at least a year before we were admitted to our first directory. While a : > certain frequency of posts isn't required for admission -- you certainly : > must post frequently enough so that those pulling the directory together : > feel confident that you are a person who is truly a member of our community : > and someone who can be trusted with our personal information. : >

: > While you can neither receive or be included in this release of the : > directory, we hope you will stay around, post occasionally so we can all get : > to know you, and then being included next time around will not be a problem. : > (Remember -- when you respond privately to someone, there is no record on : > the newsgroup -- so while you may be active in your communications with : > other members privately -- there is no way our Directory Team would know : > this. : >

: > Please try not to take this as a personal affront. You are new here, we are : > happy to have you here, and hope you will hang around. You are welcome to : > participate in any and all swaps that interest you (or host one of your : > own!) You are welcome to become a part of the HUG group. Ask questions : > when they arise in your quilting, post answers to others' questions when you : > think you can help, join us offering hugs and prayers to fellow RCTQ'ers as : > needed and before long it will be time for the next directory... and you : > will be warmly welcomed and included. : >

: > Kate in MI : >

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So it does, Alice - apologies. I keep a copy of things I send like forms, so can see mine. I did know where I was then - now I'm not so sure!

Niasha: You know me and I know you ... so, if you want my address to send me that chocolate you can't eat, just ask! I will reply via e-mail. :D

Hugs, PAT, not > I'm confused?

Howdy!

Yeah, I know how to find you, B-fly. And your new sewing room, too!! ;-D

Yvette Me-me-yOOOOOOOO is just more fun to say than "42."

Cheers! Ragmop/Sandy--looking for an idea for this border on this going-to-be-Finished quilt...I know I put the ideas somewhere...

Not to add fuel to the fire, but she was in the last one......

Thanks , I did NOT know how and I'm glad I asked: ) Very musical isn't it. Yuppers, you do know where my Studio is but you didn't get to see it set up. Still have to make a coupla changes and I'm really not sure where I want to put the stereo/tape/CD player where it would be easily reached. Yes, it has a remote.

Butterfly (back to working on the Design Wall)

I can't blame you there, Alice. The directory is already a monumental task, and expanding the search to previous versions is just hair-tearing-out mind boggling. Besides, some of us don't keep the old directories!

Well said, as usual, Pat. :)