Singer Monogrammer for slant needle

Aug 27, 2004 Last reply: 21 years ago 13 Replies

Well, I got a Singer Monogrammer for slant needle machines on ebay for a few bucks, and it just arrived.



The good news: it's in excellent condition.



The bad news: No way in heck will it attach to a vertical needle sewing machine, such as mine. The mounting point is angled for a slant needle machine, and if you try to angle the device to make it fit on the shank of a vertical needle machine, you can't lower it enough for the holes for the mounting screw to align. I had wondered if the mounting point was on a replacable part, so I could perhaps scavenge the relevant part from a common, inexpensive buttonholer to make a FrankenMonogrammer, but it turns out to be molded onto the metal casing of the device.



Conclusion: Don't buy a Singer Monogrammer for slant needle machines unless you in fact *have* a slant needle machine.



The device itself seems nice enough, I think if it fit my machine, I might be very happy with it. It makes small elegant shaped letters. The included template is used to position the letters and mark the fabric to determine when they're done. (When the letter is completed, it just keeps sewing unless you stop: it has to return to the starting point, which would mess up some letters if you don't stop at the appropriate stopping point.)



The device drags the fabric around in the shape of the letter, but unlike the Singer Buttonholer, it does not jerk the fabric back and forth in zigzags, assuming that the machine is a straight needle machine. The Singer Buttonholer for slant needle machines assumes that the machine is a zigzag machine, and the width you select for the zigzag on your machine will determine the thickness of the lines of the letter. Remembering that this means that the width of the line of the letter will "flatten" on horizontal lines and "fatten" on vertical lines, this implies that the letters will give the impression of looking like calligraphy. If you set the machine for straight stitch, you'll get a letter in a fine line instead of a calligraphic letter.



Also unlike the Singer Buttonholer, you can replace the cam for the letter without removing the device from the sewing machine, because the door to access the cam is on top of the device instead of on the bottom. I found the cam rather difficult to remove from the device though. It's not easy to grip, and there's no real space under it to allow you to get your fingers underneath to pry it up.



In general it seems like a nice tool and I wish they still made it, with mounting points suitable for current model machines. I intend to photograph mine for a descriptive web page about this category of equipment and for my book, and then put it back on ebay.



Tom Farrell

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Tom,

Any chance you can find an adaptor to make the monogrammer work on your machine? With so many attachments available today there must be something that will work.

Liz

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Tom Farrell

It would be a good trick to manage it but if you do Tom, let us know. Just to get my old buttonholer to work with my not-so-old machine took a good deal of looking around and figuring out. The solution was a little metric screw and wrench that only cost me 30¢ each but it took a whole lot of guessing and seeking before I went to the local seed & feed (farm store, whatever you call it where you live) and found what I needed in the metric section of the hardware aisle.

I'd like to find a mechanical mongrammer to use with my machine too. In the meantime, my free-hand technique is improving but will never have the degree of precision a machine will give. Let us know how it goes for you, Tom.

Max

I don't think so, but if anyone knows where to find one I'm all ears.

Although, now you have me thinking about what I could do to make one... the shank on my machine would have to be raised in order to make space for me to put in an adaptor, but as it's a 100% mechanical machine that's not a problem, it doesn't care what it thinks the foot position is when I sew...

I'll look over the problem with some friends and see if we can come up with anything. if so, I'll post about it.

Tom Farrell

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Sadly, I made another examination of the monogrammer and sewing machine this evening and determined that it almost certainly won't be possible. My low-shank machine can't raise its shank enough to get far enough out of the way of the monogrammer for an adaptor to be inserted between the two.

Tom Farrell

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Tom,

if you realy want to get into this , and I very much suggest you don't, compare the attachement portion of your monogramer to the attachment portion of your buttonholer. If they are similar in that they are sort of the same and are set in the device in the same way, you could try purchasing another cheap buttonholer that fits your machine, and fit the attaching part into the monogrammer.

but this falls into the "don't try this at home" categorie

good luck

Jean P.

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Yes, I already thought about making FrankenMonogrammers, but the relevant parts are not the slightest bit the same between my Monogrammer for slant needle machines and my buttonholers. However, I did also order a Professional Buttonholer on ebay and it hasn't arrived yet, so when it does I'll also compare it to that.

There are so many buttonholers and enough slant needle monogrammers available that if it was something technically possible, I was thinking about buying a bunch of each and doing the work on them and then offering up the converted-for-vertical-needle monogrammers for sale on the web. However, that's not so reasonable under the circumstances: even if it's possible using the Professional Buttonholer, those aren't nearly so common so I wouldn't have a reliable source of parts and anyway I'd feel guilty cannibalizing a rare-ish item.

*chuckle* My home is a little more fearless about such things. I took a sofa and sawed it up and turned it into two recliners and a chair. A little surgery on sewing equipment doesn't scare me, if I have or can fabricate the appropriate parts.

Tom Farrell

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You now have an excellent reason to pick up a slant-needle zigzag Singer....I recommend the 401, but there are several others that will do nicely.

Well, I can't say I wasn't warned that someone would try to talk me into buying one. I don't know if I'd want to use it for anything other than the monogrammer, which seems like it'd be a real waste, but it might not be so bad to have a second working machine I could loan to friends and students.

At the moment I'm unemployed, and laying out just a few bucks for these attachments is a stretch for me. (If anyone needs a really

*great* web developer in the Boston area, email me.) Sometime when I'm employed and have paid off some debt, I'll be able to think about taking in an antique sewing machine. Meanwhile, I'm afraid I can't even consider it.

Incidentally, can you shed any light on what's the *point* of the slant needle machines? From an engineering perspective it would seem like a bad idea to me...

Tom Farrell

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I can't think of a single good reason from an engineering point of view for the slant needle. But Singer did not build its success on really great machines--not that they didn't make some fine ones--but on marketing and financing plans, wereby a woman could buy a sewing machine by setting aside a few dollars a month from her 'butter and egg' money.

Nobody else had the "advanced" slant needle machine, which made it ever so much easier to see ones work and sit it in a more natural position, rather than hunched over those old-fashioned machines. Or so the advertising was able to claim.

The great thing about Singers (and I do not own one) is that so very many were made, an owner doesn't have to be concerned about finding parts or attachments for the rest of her life.

Max

Supposedly it was to make the work easier to see as you sewed. It works just fine, I have several machines with the slant needle. My 301s and 401s, and a 403 and 404 that I had and gave away/sold. IIRC, Touch & Swears are slant needle, too.

I still use my Mom's 50-year old 301 Slant Needle, and it is _SO_ much better than my "new" Bernina I can't even tell you. The Slant Needle never jams, never breaks needles, never gives me any trouble. I can sew over pins easy as pie, can see what I'm doing, can thread so much easier right to left (vs.front to back). It is a superior machine in every way and feels like an extension of my body rather than a tool. I LOVE IT.

--MamaLana :::back to lurk:::::

Please see the part of The Sewing FAQ, on my web site, in which I explain how I almost put out my eye by sewing over pins (as my sewing teacher taught me to).

Tom Farrell

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