Chucks-Chucks -Chucks [ UK ]

Feb 04, 2008 39 Replies

Once again, late to a thread.

Things to look into when considering a chuck

  1. Mechanism for tightening and loosening the jaws

TWO tomy bars means there's no hand to hold the part being chucked while the jaws are snugged to it and then tightened. If you have a spindle lock on your lathe then you only need to use one tomy bar and have another to hold the piece in which case this isn't an issue.

A jacobs chuck key (either a short one like used on a drill press or on the end of a long T-handle) permits one hand tightening and loosening of the jaws - without the need for a spindle lock. BUT - and there always seems to be a "but" - this type of key only works when the long axis of the key goes in square to the long axis of the chuck - on a jacobs chuck or a lathe chuck. There are times - on some forms - where that isn't possible. THAT is a limiting factor for chuck keys.

A normal straight T-handled allen wrench mechanism has the same problem as the T-handled chuck key. However, a "ball end" allen wrench lets you tighten the jaws with the wrench angled back some towards the back of the chuck. This capability may not ever be used, but having it and not needing it is better than needing it and not having it.

  1. Lathes don't all have the same spindle size or threading. A chuck that has spindle adapters available to fit it and adapt to various spindle diameters and threads will allow you to buy just one adapter and keep using your chuck on any lathe you may get later.

  1. Jaw Sets - How many and what gripping size ranges are available.

If you really want to bang your head on the wall, turn a nice form with a tenon on the end to hold it in your chuck - and then find that none of your jaw sets will hold it for hollowing. Ideally, having sets that cover the full range, min to max - with NO GAPS - is REALLY nice to have.

  1. Jaw Sets - how easy are they to change?

On the "borrowed from a metal lathe" chuck you have to scroll one set of jaws off then scroll another set on - and starting from the right location and in the right order. Make a mistake on either and the jaws either won't close on center or won't close at all. THAT is a real PITA

On the "designed specifically for a wood lathe" chuck, the jaws attach to the chuck with allen head screws - one or two screws depending on the type of jaw. Makes changing jaws a bit easier, faster and a little more idiot proof (the latter very important if you sometimes fall into Idiot Mode - ok, so I'm the only one who does dumb things -occassionaly)

  1. Jaw Sets - can you put them on anywhere or does Jaw #1 HAVE TO GO ON IN POSITION #1 ON THE CHUCK

Don't know about other chucks, but the SuperNova2 jaws are each numbered and have to be put on their right location. Note that at least one set of jaws I have have simple center punch marks to indicate the jaw number - one dot for #1, two dots for #2 and so on. THAT is a minor PITA. All the other jaw sets have their number stamped in the underside of the jaw.

  1. Jaw Sets - are most if not all the jaws you have for this chuck fit the other chucks the manufacturer/company makes?

You WILL get additional jaw sets over time and may end up with ALL the jaw sets available for your first chuck. While the price of the original chuck seems like the big ticket item, the price of all the additional jaw sets will equal or exceed the initial chuck price.

  1. Does ANYTHING protrude from the outside of the chuck? If so, anything that does WILL wack you on the knuckles - at least once.

  1. Are there ANY sharp edges or sharp corners ANYWHERE that can (and will) make contact with any part of your body - while installing, removing or using the chuck?

  2. Are the interior moving parts protected from dust, dirt, oils, waxes, blood, insects, pitch, sap, . . . A chuck that works smooth and flawless when right out of the box - but binds and chunks in use is nice to look at but a PITA to use over time.

  1. Does the chuck have built in Indexing?

Being able to index the chuck, even if you don't think you need that capability now, will give you the option later.

Some chucks have indexing holes or slots on the rear outside of the chuck and some have them on the back face of the chuck. Being able to get to them from the top makes it easier to add an indexing pin to your lathe than adding one from behind the chuck.

  1. The quality of the steel in the moving parts and the precision of their machining.

Good steel holds up - crappy steel doesn't. If the mechanism is machined steel rather than cast iron and then machined, it will hold up, trouble free for year and years. Machined cast iron won't.

Some of these things you can see, some you can't. It's the reputation of the company that tell you something about parts you can't see. If you've never heard of the maker, or the outfit that carries it won't stand behind the chuck you're screwed if anything is wrong or goes wrong with the chuck.

Just what you needed right - more decisons to make. Sorry - but knowledge is power.

charlie b

Disclosure: I have two SN2 chucks and ALL the jaw sets for that chuck. I have no financial connection to the maker, wholesaler or retailer of the SuperNova2 and paid the store price for the chucks and jaw sets. I use them on a JET mini/midi and haven't turned anything bigger than 9" in diameter nor taller than about 6 inches.

Hi Brian, Charlie's review may be late, but not least. Good info there. I'm even later, but since I know of no woodturning chuck with a spring loaded key (hex, pin or pinion) I'm better late than never.

Generally there is no 'always' nor 'never' in woodturning, but NEVER leave a key in a chuck. If you do, eventually you'll have a full English Breakfast with the devil. ALWAYS remove a chuck key even for the instant while tightening the tail center or blowing your nose. Less dangerous, but NEVER spin the chuck hard against the spindle register and don't try it to find out why.

BTW. I mostly know Southampton from getting on & off the boat, but I do know Hamps. My son is an old Wykamist. "A Yank at Winchester" where they "hold hots", but never "judge a sausage by its skin" or use the right name for anything. :)

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Having a form cover the chuck key area is a real pain when it happens. In addition to the ball end Allen wrench, there are "universal joint" type wrenches to reach into a covered area. I believe they come in both Jacobs as well as Allen configured.

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When a chuck maker can figure out a secure quick-change design... Well, Doggies! That'll be somethin'. Having scrolled my backing jaws out and setting themback in, turning jaws attached to auxiliary sets of backing jaws is no solution in my view.

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I own 2 Vicmarc chucks with enclosed backs. Having said that, Oneway has been making their chucks with open backs since the beginning. Their chucks are top-of-the-line and they design everything so well, I'm thinking this is really a non-issue. At least when comparing Oneway chucks to others.

I don't understand this one... If the form covers the key area, how would it get into the chuck at all? Maybe I'm missing something here, but I've never put anything in the chuck and not been able to reach the key hole...

If I had, I don't think I'd turn it as is, I'd add a glue block or something.. I have to be reading or visualizing the problem incorrectly..

mac

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When I'm working on a bowl held with a tenon at the base, I'll shape the outside, then begin hollowing the inside. If my design changes or I'd like to shift things a bit, I'll find a new axis and in the process put a tenon inside the bowl to be able to reshape and re-tenon the outside bottom.

Doesn't happen very often.

If you have a hollow form like a bowl that you want to hold with the jaws from the inside, for whatever reason, it could cover your chuck, however, if there's only a inch or two between the chuck and wood, you couldn't get you ball-end hex-key in there either, so there's and advantage only in limited cases.

In the case Owen is referring to, to turn a recess or spigot on the inside so you could shift your axes over, one could do that, but it would not be as easy as using a drive-spur in your chuck as I see it anyway.

There are always cases where you have to work around limitations in order to do certain things.

To come back to the jaws and chucks, where numbers of jaws available to cover the gripping size from small to large, is seen as an advantage, I see them as a limitation, or the result of a limitation, as it is a result of limited jaw travel being available on a chuck, and they are always there, or else you would need only one set of jaws, .....but having a chuck that has a longer travel, is a distinct advantage, as one set of jaws is able to do more. This also means less often changing jaws and less money invested in more different size jaws and/or extra chucks.

The case of protruding jaws is in and by itself maybe seen as a hazard, well granted they are hard, but so is the wood thats held in the jaws, I don't think you'd be able to tell the difference if it was a sharp corner of the wood that hit your knuckles or the chuck jaws, but covering the jaws if protruding, with a soft and colored band could help in that regard, a little hard to do to the wood you are turning, :-)) so DO be aware of what you are doing, or you could get seriously hurt if you don't !!! Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo

If you have a hollow form like a bowl that you want to hold with the jaws from the inside, for whatever reason, it could cover your chuck, however, if there's only a inch or two between the chuck and wood, you couldn't get you ball-end hex-key in there either, so there's and advantage only in limited cases.

You could also use a pin chuck to handle such cases. Once again, rare to change based on inside with no sign outside, but a new hole equals a new hold.

To come back to the jaws and chucks, where numbers of jaws available to cover the gripping size from small to large, is seen as an advantage, I see them as a limitation, or the result of a limitation, as it is a result of limited jaw travel being available on a chuck, and they are always there, or else you would need only one set of jaws, .....but having a chuck that has a longer travel, is a distinct advantage, as one set of jaws is able to do more. This also means less often changing jaws and less money invested in more different size jaws and/or extra chucks.

Of course there is an advantage in jaw choice over jaw travel. Circularity is achieved at only one point, and that is the key to holding the piece well and undamaged. Long travel means less-than-optimum holds must now rely on less force per unit of contact area, often crushing that which they hold. If you like, you can avoid a step or two and finish up the bottom of a piece before you hollow it, leaving no need for vacuum chucks or jam chucks.

Jaws with wider faces are especially well-suited for tenons because they don't take much wood to fill a circular center, and provide a large bearing surface to stabilize against the shoulder.

I have about 4 different jaw sets for my Talon, Leo, and find that as I get more experienced, I use the different sets very little..

The #2 jaws that came with the chuck seem to work for most of my turning, the spigot jaws are used once in a while for something special.. I added a 2nd talon a few years ago for guest turners and it has the spigots on it just in case.. *g*

The jumbo jaws gather dust since I went to a vacuum system and the smaller jaw set (#1 or 3??) never did get much use..

mac

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Only if you're a complete spaz. I've never had any trouble finding two nearly adjacent holes for the tommy bars, allowing them to be easily manipulated by only one hand. Much easier than chopsticks and a quarter of the world has no trouble with those...

...Kevin

Even easier when you let the weight of the piece rest on your third hand - the tailstock.

Wouldn't that be nearer a half than a quarter, even given modernization?

Well, that`s sorted out now !

I went to the Woodwork Exhibition at Alexandria Palace Yesterday, took the plunge and purchased the Robert Sorby Patriot chuck [

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] and a couple of sets of jaws " to get me going " !. Without putting it on the Lathe yet, I can see it is a nicely engineered piece of gear. The action is silky smooth, and there is no play in the jaws whatever. All the jaws are matched so there is no number matching needed, and it came with a nice T-handled ball wrench. One slight "drawback" , that probably will never bother me, is the lack of any form of indexing on the chuck.

I also picked up a few blanks at the show ( Yew, Camphor, Purpleheart and a nice piece of Ebony, so I can`t wait to get down the shed and give it a whirl, - have wood, will turn !

All the best n many thanks for all the info etc !

Have fun, be safe

Brian.

Hope you got the pin jaws. Great way to start things out.

Your lathe lacks indexing?

I think he meant the chuck, George...DO chucks have indexing?

(I've never used indexing on the lathe, either)

mac

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Yep, I've seen pictures.

Indexing is nice for spoked wheels and flutes in columns, as well as French dovetails in candlestands.

PS, don't use the index lock on your DVR-XP to lock the head to remove a chuck

Thanks, George.. I guess since I've never tried any of the above, I've never come across it in instructions or anything..

I'm guessing that you use it to find or mark sections of a cylinder?

mac

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Yeah, Ralph.. I don't, but the manual seemed confusing until I realized that it said it's ok to use the spindle lock to thread stuff ON the spindle, but not to take it off..

I'm sort of leery of spindle locks since I broke a fin off mine on the Jet...

On the XP, it seems to work well to put the drift bar through the handwheel.. if I need more leverage, I let the rod go down to the headstock alignment pin..

mac

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The problem with the vacuum adapter, is it blocks the hole for the bar!!!

You mean for putting it through the cross holes in the handwheel, Ralph? Yeah, it blocks it for using both holes but you can still grab one hole..

mac

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