Musing about our importance

There is a current thread unravelling on this ng about plagiarism. IMO, it is pertinent, timely and thought provoking; the type of thread that makes rcw endure repetitious banality, spam, trolls, fools and the mean of spirit. There is some good stuff for woodturners there.

There was a time when woodturners were few and far between. Membership in guild-like organizations with rules of behaviour and a stamp of quality similar to the good housekeeping or underwriter's "seal of approval" might have protected turners and buyers alike then. Not now. Turners and consumers are too diverse and widespread and the craft is too easily taken up for ethics, or quality to be regulated or even desired by the majority.

OTOH, we are and will remain minnows in a big pond. You think otherwise? Ask at the next club meeting about rcw or any other forum and see the blank stares. Ask at a museum or art show about AAW or GMC and see what you get. Most all public places and upscale homes are devoid of our art and our treen isn't used in their kitchens. You think our leading lights are household names? Ask around. It's ... who?

Is there a point to my musing? Not really. Although it's fine to cuss and discuss our pleasures and problems among ourselves, there is a life outside. In the greater arena, I suspect that, though important to us, claims of originality, legal protections and ethical behaviours don't count for much. Patent claims and copyrights, moral or otherwise are mostly hunting licenses in the small business of woodturning.

So what!

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Arch:

Importance? Hmmm.

Arch wrote:

Hopefully woodworkers generally... I would never have thought too much about this if the issues had not been raised. Now I carefully photograph everything as I do it and track how I made it and where the ideas come from. It actually makes things more enjoyable. I made a lot of stuff previously and now -- gone. Only memories. At least now I have pictures. :-)

Quite frankly I can do without guilds and pricing regimens. They have their uses I am sure. Although when buying something it _is_ nice to know that the craftsman "knew the basics" and that the work will not fall apart due to ignorance on the part of the craftsman. That is why I religiously read this forum.

At least I know enough to not make a "pithy" goblet now -- for example. And all about sandpaper...

or less... making little ripples in the ponds of time and all that. Just keep the sharks away!

Well I know one of those, and one outta two ain't that bad. Right Arch?

Maybe in a couple of hundred years. The name of the craftsman is on a lot of displays at the ROM. (I mentioned that display earlier.) Too bad woodturners have to die to become (even close to) a "household name". :-(

Except to tweak our noses and make us think? LOL

Like what? Since when did selling a car or performing a surgical procedure give the same thrill as caressing a finely turned piece of wood? Get real! LOL!

Actually theses are more important if you have employees or contractors turning out work on your behalf. While I never mentioned it before, I believe that copying and theft of ideas is a greater issue if you are in business with employees.... And if you don't use employees or contractors - all I can say is -- Wonderful -- keep it that way if you can!!

And if you do have employees establish the rules BEFORE you hire. If you have employees discuss this at great length, move slowly and get verbal agreements before papering any of this stuff. (It is too late now if you are in that situation, so any agreement is better than nothing...) Unless you _want_ them to quit. And having said that, you cannot prevent a person from practicing their trade, so agreements have to be reasonable. You can't claim "round" -- even though Kirk tried. LOL. Turns out that the turners a few hundred years before us had discovered it anyway...

Tomorrow is Monday and the start of another wonderful week. That's what!

There is a woodworking show at the CNE grounds, and I will be next door at PDAC (Prospectors and Developers Convention at the Toronto Convention Centre) - hopefully selling another gold mine or laying the seeds for the years to come. Maybe I will get some time to do something useful -- maybe I can go to the wood show. That's good enough for me. :-)

There Arch -- more to think about. Does your head hurt yet? No? It should! :-)

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Will

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Plagiarism is a nasty word, only fit for lawyers and commercial artists.

("commercial" - "artist" - something is not quite harmonious in the nearness of those two words - - - am I thinking of designers, not artists?)

All great artists have been copied, and will be copied, and it should be so.

The problems only arise in two cases, in IMO, and that is when you copy from others once and say you had the idea yourself, which you may have had; and then when you copy from others and commercialize the product in your own name.

In both cases, as far as woodturning is concerned, it would be silly and counterproductive for the original artist or designer to make a fuss.

Who can seriously say about a bowl: "Mine is the very first and original bowl". "Noone ever made something like this before, and I want all legal rights for myself".

Anyone trying this must really be in need of a new hobby. (Or - should maybe set up shop as a lawyer?)

Bjarte

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Bjarte Runderheim

I cannot agree with this statement. Andi Wolfe turns and decorates beautiful bowls. The general form of the bowl is not unique, but the finished product is instantly recognizable as hers. She carves and colors leaves and vines on both the inside and outside of her bowls. To the best of my knowledge she is the first with this theme and deserves the recognition for developing it. I'm sure the same can be said of a number of turners and their designs.

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Harry B. Pye

And most, if not all, of them have previously appeared in pottery and glass.

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Lobby Dosser

Arch

You are so right - we are plankton in the world of art - maybe even amoebas! And we are not respected at all!

I get Architectural Digest - just to look at what people are putting on their shelves and on their kitchen counters as decorative art. I can tell you that it is a difficult task to find a turning in any issue! If you do find one, it is obviously a mass produced hunk of non-descript wood that has no character and no evidence that a man's hand touched it in the making process!

Also, these art and architectural types put so much emphasis on ceramics and stoneware and glass - it makes me want to spit! I can see glass having a place of esteem as it is a difficult thing to work. But pottery - I am sorry - even if the potter tries to make the piece interesting with their glazes and other features, they still have a long way to go! Plus the pieces are heavy, clunky looking and scratch or mar the surface of their shelves and tables!

And the kitchenware - they have these big honkin ceramic bowls that look like they weigh 10 pounds! To match the scale of some of the modern kitchens the bowls have to be large! So why do they not have a beautiful wooden salad bowl - probably because they can only find the glued-up junk that Williams Sonoma or Pottery Barn had made from scraps of trash wood in southeast Asia - that's why!

I think we should be held to a higher level of prominence than potters - heck their large stuff sells for $55 a piece! If I sold something for $55 it would probably be a nut bowl or ornament (otherwise, my wife would be very mad at me for wasting my time!). Plus, you can go to Wal-Mart and buy any old bowl and it will be just as good as any run of the mill potter's work. Try finding a wooden salad bowl that was cut from a single piece of wood at Wal-Mart or Target or any other retail store. Very difficult indeed.

It would be nice to be able to make 100 pieces a year and sell them all for $1000, or 50 pieces and sell them for $2000 - but I am sure that even the luminaries in our field have trouble doing that! It would be even nicer to see us get the respect of the broad base art and architecture community for the skill we exhibit and for the obviously beautiful work that we do!

I could rant all day on this topic! Thanks Arch!

Ray Sandusky Brentwood, TN

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Ray Sandusky

bowls.

Leaf motifs have, indeed, appeared in pottery and glass, but I wonder if you've seen these particular bowls. They are unique in woodturning and different from other media.

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