Musing about KISS & RCW. (what! me keep it short & simple)

The reports of my absence are exaggerated, but it sure is good to have net friends who give a damn. I don't plan to lose you, so thanks for caring. That's enough sentiment. Now back to COC mode before I lose my stripes.

IIRC it was the other Pope who wrote "A little learning is a dangerous thing", but I wonder if it applies to rcw. Each of us has some special knowledge or expertise about something, but we all are woodturners and I wonder if only a _little_ learning about things that aren't 'need to know' for turning isn't sufficient. I even wonder if too much dogmatic turning advice could sometimes hinder our progress and ruin our fun? Same with striving for perfection when we all know there never was, isn't now and never will be a perfect bowl.

Can there be too much teaching, advising, etc? Is making mistakes and learning from them a bad thing? Why do so many good self-taught turners feel that others' hands must be held and why do so many otherwise smart and self-sufficient people want their hands held while multiple turning techniques (usually 90 t0 180 deg. out of phase) are spoon fed? Maybe demos, hands-on, net threads and the like serve as much for socializing as for learning.

Chemistry, electronics, engineering, law, electric power distribution, metallurgy, allergy, oncology, toxicology, internal combustion, electric motors, physics, metaphysics, forestry, botany, strength of materials, economics, logic, business practices, philosophy, machining, welding, bullshit, vulgarity, manners and music to name a _few :) have all been discussed here and we recognize ourselves somewhere in the list. Enthusiasm for the non-turning things we each hold dear is fine, but I suspect small doses go down easier for most others.

Woodturning can be and once was a simple craft. Just maybe 'keeping it simple' isn't all bad, or do you believe that we must "drink deep or not at all" in order to enjoy turning wood?

Aren't musings just misplaced or disguised blogs? (just learned the word) The exceptions that prove the KISS rule.:)

To the new turners on rcw, welcome. No you aren't confused and bewildered. I am. Just sigh & forgive or disagree like all the tolerant regulars do. A grain of salt helps.

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Arch, your musings are like nourishment to the brain. They give us something to chew on and ponder. Sometimes the food is foreign and I say "yuck" without giving it a proper chance. Other times it is full of ideas and questions, striking a note that I chew on for hours or days. It's good to see you back and in fine form.

Chewingly yours,

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Owen Lowe

Hi Arch

Like a school kid back from holidays, you have to really put it on heavy do you ??

Yes you had us (at least me) worried, glad to have your usual musings back on line.

This last one put a grin on my face, I think you have it all covered, again.

Maybe all (most) of us formerly "The world will stop without us" experts do need some place to remind others of that, sometimes, ???

Taking someone by the hand goes well with that, maybe ?

KISS ?? that's to hard to do it seems, and doesn't attract enough attention....... maybe ??

Is blogs another word for bullsh.....???, I wouldn't dream of putting your musings in the same category Arch.

Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo

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Leo Van Der Loo

my thoughts, in as terse a form as possible to stimulate cognition:

  1. Knowlege is not equal to expertise
  2. Expertise can make the hard familar
  3. The unchallanged turner stagnates
  4. A form repeated often enough is just a link in a chain, not art
  5. Discovery engenders knowlege
  6. Beauty in art is in the unexpected
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william_b_noble

Welcome back, Arch. Good to see you're still a COC.

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Prometheus

turning advice could sometimes hinder our progress and ruin our fun?

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nailshooter41

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That's really a sad, SAD story! So much more they could be doing to expand their capabilities.

Ken Moon Webberville, TX.

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Ken Moon

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Amazing how some folks like different things, isn't it? I could be worse. There are people who think the pinnacle of turning is the "hollow form." At least you can puke into a bowl if the conversation gets too sickening.

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George

Robert,

What's this about "forced spalting"??? Please fill a newbie in.

Tom Nie

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Tom Nie

Are you asking if a little knowledge is okay and we should let it go at that and not get so hung up on myriad tools and techniques? If so, it's a good question. "Whatever makes you happy" is probably the best answer, and it will be different for each of us. Personally, I like knowing all the possible ways to do something, not just find one way that works and then do it the same way every time. For instance, I like to know about lots of different chucking methods so I can choose the one that seems best suited for the current project. And I like to be skilled at being able to make the same cut (like rolling a bead, for example) with many different types of tools so I can use the best method for my current situation, not just the only one I know. I think turning is more fun if you have a certain amount of mastery, and that comes with knowledge and practice. And even if I was going to be a one technique kind of guy, my favorite technique might well be the one I haven't learned yet, so I need to try everything sooner or later, anyway. But that's just me, your mileage may vary. I think if a guy wants to putter around on his mini lathe and make a doorknob with a scraper because that's the only tool he's confident with, and if he's having fun and he's happy, then that's the right thing for him to do, and more power to him. Been there, done that. But I'm in a different place now. Maybe I'll go back to that someday, who knows? We each gotta find our own way, and we shouldn't disparage anyone who does it differently. If we turn for pleasure, then the bottom line is "whatever makes you happy."

best wishes,

-mike paulson, fort collins, co

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nailshooter41

their capabilities.

Ken Moon Webberville, TX. >some

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nailshooter41

Robert.. sounds like you need to bring some new blood into the group before it becomes the coffee club with occasional bowl turning discussions... IMHO, your group has become exactly what clubs shouldn't be... elitists..

mac

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mac davis

Never thought about naming a bowl "ralph"..

mac

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Jeeezus...

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nailshooter41

,,,just to continue a ? thread that all you guys salvaged and made interesting:

..doubt an EMT would advise pukeing into today's artistic cutting edge bowls. True, these bowls aren't dull & boring, but they are a little leaky & unsanitary. Maybe they are hoping for a National Endowment of Arts grant. ;) ..and then there are the clubs whose purpose seems to be about Robert's (not you, Robert) rules and what the refugees from civic clubs aka officers & board members (some, not all! not all!) decide is meet, proper & worthwhile to consider. :)

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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IMHO, your group has become exactly what clubs shouldn't be...

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Could be time to form another club with the people trying to get into this club as members.

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Ralph

officers & board members

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