Nova 3K

Chuck,

I note that you seemed to have started the thread on the Nova 3000 stating that is was sad to hear that Teknatool is phasing out the Nova 3000. I just took a look at their web site and there is no indication that the Nova 3000 is being phased out. This wouldn't be a ploy to get people who were thinking of buying a Nova 3000 or Nova DVR 3000 to consider purchasing a Stubby from you by any chance would it?

Your original post stirred up a lot of posts, but would you like to prove that you're not trying to use the newsgroup to promote your business? I feel open and honest advertising on the newsgroup is acceptable, but underhanded advertising is not in my books.

I don't post much on this newsgroup anymore because of people trying underhanded things like you and the sometimes severe attacks on people, I'm not blaming you for those attacks, however.

Fred Holder

Fred:

Chuck doesn't sell Stubbys -- at least as far as I know. I do, however. But, before I make any post which might be construed as an advertisement, I think long and hard as to how it might be viewed. I don't think that going through the archives any fair person could come to the conclusion that I am using this forum for advertising.

I let this discussion go on for some time without comment. I finally decided that I might have a take on the subject which some might be interested in hearing so went ahead.

I object to manufacturers who drop a new product on the market and then tell us that we should buy and use it, where there has clearly been no input from the set of prospective users. We end up with products with such obvious shortcomings that it is hard to imagine that they even considered marketing them.

Clearly some product shortcomings are the result of economic decisions

-- 2 hp costs more than 1 hp for instance. And who wouldn't rather have

So, the reasons for my post -- as I stated -- to give another perspective to those interested; and to find out what others thought about my thinking on the subject.

Bill

Fred Holder wrote:

Well Fred,

Maybe you should back off, clean your glasses, read the thread again and then apologize.

Not only do I not sell stubby lathes, I also posted the quote from email from the Teknatool representative confirming that the Nova 3k has been discontinued, and if you think I'm a liar, you can email them yourself,

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I'll be waiting for your apology.

Hello Chuck,

I will apologize for mistakenly calling you a dealer of Stubby Lathes. I had already been set straight on that, however, your posts had seemed to be very critical of Teknatool, which I believe to be an excellent company. I have e-mailed Roger Latimer of Teknatool requesting information about the Nova 3000. If it is in fact being discontinued, I'll also post an apology on that item also.

I don't quite get the statement: "the pot calling the kettle black". If this is the feeling of this newsgroup, then I apologize to the group. Never, have I ever intentionally done anything underhanded to promote my business, nor do I ever plan to do so.

Fred Holder

Like being a Stubby dealer is a mortal sin? I was a little more incensed at being accused of being an underhanded, sneaky liar.

Okay, and is there something wrong with that? I think their decision to drop the Nova 3000 is, in a word, "stupid," for the reasons I have enumerated ad nauseum. All good business reason, I might add, not because of any vendetta, ill will or any other sophomoric ploy.

That's your prerogative...and not one that I would publicly criticize you for. Others may not share your views. I am ambivalent about them, personally.

Mmmm, you do that. Because heaven knows, since I'm NOT a dealer in Stubby lathes, I _must_ have some other, more devious ulterior motive for making stuff up about it, right?

I didn't say you were underhanded. Nor would I ever say that you were a "master of self-promotion." Let us just say that your view and my view of using newsgroups for advertising don't always seem to agree.

Roger Latimer of Teknatool got back to me today. I apologize, you are right. They are currently discontinuing deliveries of the Nova 3000 to the North American market, because an increase in motor price would have significantly increased the cost of the lathe, which was already experiencing decreasing sales since the introduction of the DVR. They do have another lathe model in the design phase; however, it will not be available until 2006 or 2007.

I apoligize to the group for even getting involved in this discussion; however, I felt that Chuck was bad mouthing a manufacturer that I think quite highly of and have used their products for almost 15 years. I guess I will continue to stick up for companies that I feel are getting a bum rap.

Fred Holder

Any other Clues? Big, Midi, Mini?

Why, looks like you've provided the first verified info.

It will still be a good lathe for years to come.

What ever wears out on the head are easy replaced ,the only thing which will wear out are the bearings ,and they are standard. All the other parts are standard DVR parts.

Long live the Nova 3K.

Been using the 3k for seven years now full time making .porch posts ,large newals.any thing big or long jobs .other woodturners couldn't handle. It's still on its orginal belt ,but holding on by 4 threads. Made a wine bottle for a for furniture designer 16" dia by 5 foot long and the belts still in one piece .

. Look forward to seeing what Teknatool are designing for the furture in lathes,roll on 2006.

Jan.K

Read the posts, not the poster. Fred merely confirmed what was said from _his_ source.

Accepted -- since apparently the word of other employees of Teknatool isn't trustworthy in your eyes.

No you did not!

You accused me of making it all up and using it to sell Stubby lathes!!! Your post didn't say a thing in their "defense" but was

And even if it were true, that you were riding in on your steed to defend them, I'm not sure what "bad mouthing" is in your book, Fred, but I think _I_ suffered quite a bit more of it at _your_ hands than anything that could possibly have been construed from my postings about Teknatool. On the contrary, my post was expressing my quite genuine disapointment of the fact that they were discontinuing one of their products, which I had aspired to purchase, in favor of concentrating on a higher-priced model. If I were inclined to "bad mouth" them, why would I say that I was "disappointed" at the decision to remove one of their products from the market???

You, on the other hand, accused me of being a devious, underhanded, liar. That, my friend, is "bad mouthing."

The first accessory I purchased after purshasing my first lathe was a SuperNova chuck.

Please, demonstrate the "bum rap" that I gave them. In the words of Ross Perot, "I'm all ears."

In my initial posting and in a followup to another question about it, I said that I had emailed Teknatool and the representative had told me that it was discontinued. Just because I didn't post the rep's name doesn't mean it's not "verified."

Maybe your browser didn't pick up those messages.

Which is why I wanted to get one in the first place. The same rep who told me it was being dropped also gave me the name of someone I can contact who sells reconditioned ones, which I am going to utilize in the (hopefully) near future.