Preserving Norfolk Island Pine (don't trust, verify)

With apologies to Leif and his disciples, not to mention all & sundry agnostics and disbelievers. This should alienate all sides of rcw in one post, but I won't go quietly into those dark splits and cracks.

I have some NIP logs over two years old with pith left in that have not cracked, split nor decayed. They are a little dry, but turned as end grain, they cut nicely and finish well. Anecdotal, of course, and perhaps works only in S.E. Fla. and only for me, but if you try it, you _might_ like it. This is what I do with NIP without blushing. I'm not a chemist, arborist. botanist, dishwasher, nor manicurist, but I do turn NIP.

I let fresh NIP (and only NIP) logs lie in "sunshine and in shadow" on the ground for one or two moons. Then I debark, pressure clean and rough turn, leaving tenons and/or center dimples. Then I slop any brand of dish detergent liberally over the entire blank. Then I store the blanks covered and off the ground until I want to turn them in the years to come.

Adverse comments, questions of senility and implications of stupidity are expected and welcomed. Meanwhile I'll turn some old, but uncracked NIP blanks into ? art.

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Or when the valley's hushed and white with snow?

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Lobby Dosser

Is the bark waterproof? If you have to debark after a couple years, sounds as if it might be. Birch behaves like that, but with no resin, it goes punk pretty rapidly.

It would appear from how common long-grain turnings in NIP are, that it's a pretty forgiving wood on that account. Almost like aspen or elm.

I know the British found it unsuitable for masts and spars, being too fragile. Since Eastern white pine was prized for the same, it must be strange indeed.

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George

I only turned a salad bowl from NIP a week ago. Timber was fresh and it was turned to display the radial branch piths along the base. It has split around and through all branch points (those that have seen NIP turned this was will understand what I mean).

I want to try something that was recommended to me recently: Rough turn item, place in freezer for 1 week; remove and leave in lower section of fridge for at least 3 weeks. A local professional turner claims to have improved his yield from green roughed bowls significantly and now has about 10 old two door fridges as part of his equipment.

Regards, Alan

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Alan

Hi Alan,

Many thanks for your response. I'm not sure where you live and if NIP is plentiful there. If it is cheap enough to experiment, consider buying a bottle of LDD before buying freezers. I let it lie for a while to encourage the green streaking that I like. After a few weeks the bark is easily stripped. If you, or any one should try it my way please report happy success .....or dismal failure.

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Hi LD.

Sad to say, altho the pipes are calling, there are no glens, valleys, mountain sides or snows in these parts. Not all the leaves are dying, but the streets here are loud and red with blood. :(

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Alan, I meant to ask you if some of the splits have closed by now. I find that NIP is one of the best timbers for self healing.

I sure would like to hear of some other's experience with NIP. I think it is a special timber for turners. The branches make artists out of journeymen. End grain turns easily. Preserves well. Translucent when turned thin, nicely robust when not. Takes any or needs no finish. Comes in all sizes and is relatively cheap and plentiful here.

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Hi Alan

Alan, just read the subject line's last three words. Every tree up here gets frozen for a few months at the time, and they sure will still split like you would not believe.

Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo

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Leo Van Der Loo

Hi Arch

Glad to oblige you Arch, just bring me some of that plentiful NIP next time you come up to the great white north, I will, and am sure some more along the way, will be glad to do some experimentation with it.

The only NIP I could get my hands on up here is the one in my sons mother in laws living room, it hardly makes good blanks for a thin wall NIP bowl.

OOOOOOOHHHH to keep on dreaming, so many kinds of trees and so little time left, sheeees I better get back to the shop, sliced a approx. 24" 4 branch Maple crotch up yesterday, took me nearly all day but got some real nice slabs out of it, and sure don't want to have them split all up

Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo

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Leo Van Der Loo

G'day Leo,

Very good for you as it will save any partner complaining that you have taken over the freeezer with timber!. I guess you can return your roughed bowls to the forest for a week instead of the freezer!

Best regards, Alan

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Alan

Save your freezer space. As cold air holds less moisture, you're really just maintaining a high relative humidity. Which is a good thing, but not necessary in most places until you're down to the FSP of about 30% moisture by weight. By lowering the temperature, however, there's not much evaporation possible anyway, so you're not getting there.

Now the frost-free refrigerator design might be helpful in that it exhausts the moisture given off by the bowl. That's how kilns operate - high RH and air exchange.

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George

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