Random musings of a COC. If I can't turn it, I'll disparage it.

Painting a wooden bowl turned on a lathe and terming the effort 'Turning Wood' is sort of like painting a sunset on a canvas and calling the effort 'Weaving Cloth'.

A good turner who knows nothing about the craft is sort of like a good driver who knows nothing about internal combustion engines. Do both need to know engineering, physics, topology, golden entangles and Canuck curves? "It ain't necessarily so."

What vast turning knowledge? A turner's inspiration has more to do with breathing in than with divine influence. A Chimp doesn't need to drink deep from some Pierian Spring. He just needs to secure a balanced blank, stay on his side of the toolrest, rub the bevel, lead the flute, lag the scraper and reduce the speed when the lathe starts to shake. It's very likely that the chimp will turn something that knowledgeable turners will critique ad nauseum, while some layman is buying it.

Most successful businesses make things that the public either wants or needs and can afford. Some woodturners seek success by turning things that they themselves want and don't need on a lathe they can't afford.

Just because a piece is useless doesn't make it fine art and calling it art doesn't make it so. When an ignoramus reveals his ignorance by making fun of a work of art, it diminishes him not the work.

It's not timber, tools nor shop. _ITTS _ "It's The Turner Stupid". It's the turner that does the turning, not the equipment.

Did I get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and have a cold breakast? You think? Naw! I'm just a crotchety ole coot, a COC in turner's clothing. :)

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Been browsing the WoW site again, have we?

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George

more like turning stomachs?

You don't need to know how an engine works to drive, but I've always felt that if you KNOW what's happening mechanically when you press the accelerator, gas & clutch, you have a much better chance of becoming a better driver who limits abuse of the machinery..

Well, my half-vast knowledge tells me that there's a lot more to it than that, and your work shows that you do to.. ;-] Like anything else, the better educated and skilled you are at something, the easier it seems.. and the harder it is to understand why everyone can't do as it well..

Those are collectors, Arch, not sellers... I used to be like that and hardly sold a thing... Then, I realized that if all I made were things that I liked and wanted, I was cutting out most of my market.. Luckily, weird sells well, usually as art, so my stuff is popular.. *eg*

Gotta disagree, Arch.. Utility stuff is for use and sells well but for little profit.. "Art" has no real function except to be appreciated and is (hopefully) priceless... I people ask "what's it for", I know it's at least approaching art... Am I an artist? Well, perception can become reality if you market hard enough..lol

Ahh.. but the lathe does the "turning"... We just visualize something and shape it as the wood goes by, right? If we weren't using a machine to spin the wood, we'd be carvers, not turners..

You wearing one of those turner's smock things, Arch???

mac

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mac davis

I feel your pain, Darrell.. I have 3 or 4 friends that have gout... Not a fun thing to have flare up and always when you want to do/go somewhere..

A friend of mine is a waiter and several times a year his coworkers pitch in on his tables when they see him limp in..

Hope you feel better soon, my friend..

mac

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mac davis

Gout eh? Surely you haven't become one of those "TV Reverends" that live high off the hog with excessive consumption of expensive purines like prime ribs and lobstah, but to stay on topic ...a turner's tophus does hurt more than a tree's burl.

Just kidding Darrell. I know gout is painful and serious and nothing to joke about, but when a line is handed to you, you just have to take it. Get your meds and some soft socks so you can get back to adding to your wonderful woodturning site....

...and be careful with those church suppers. It's probably a happy hazard of your profession, but must you sample some of _every lady's cooking? Of course I did when I made house calls. :)

Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter

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Hi George, Nope, probably just great minds. A good forum, but I haven't been there for many moons. Are they musing there now? :)

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Old is a state of mind robo. It's a journey, not a destination. So in the spirit of the season we'll nominate you as this years COC. Welcome to the club...

...Kevin

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Bah! Humbug!, Chief. Robo might not want to belong to a club that will have him, but I'll second your nomination. With all this good cheer and fellowship, our ranks are getting thin and we can't be as selective as before. I was wondering about nominating George and Robert, maybe even Mac.

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"I wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member"-Groucho Marx

Here, here! I third!

before. I was wondering about nominating George >and Robert, maybe even Mac.

Me? What the hell did I do? ;^)

Now as far as George goes... I thought he was already a charter member.... ;^)

Robert

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I was thinking more of putting Reed in for Dirty Old Man..

mac

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mac davis

Drink lots of water. This helps.

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Bruce Barnett

20 cups? You must be a lot younger than I. I am cursed with ideopathic kidney stones, and an extra quart of liquid after 1800 along with an old prostate gets me up twice during the night.

Which isn't a bad thing, when you consider I don't need to overstoke the stove at night for heat in the morning. The Apache alarm clock gets me up at intervals that allow small fires and even heat production.

We've got the younger Lutheran ladies cooking lighter now, but the older ones knew how to load an artery pretty well. Maybe you Baptists could use some ecumenical cross-training.

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George

Yet without the "nod" from a critic or two, and the name recognition gleaned from brown-nosing "the right people", can hardly be priced as art - unfortunately.

And therein lies the ugly truth behind modern politics, pharma, and much of the stuff that bloats our landfills. Not to mention many marriages. It's all about the Marketing. :-/

Greg G.

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Greg G

Um, you didn't buy Arch and I a malt beverage of our choice. So, um, we attribute it to crotchetiness. Doesn't matter that we've never met - we're not the type to quibble over details.

Yup - could have sworn we inducted him into our ranks last year. That's the problem with being a COC, the memory's usually worthless...

...Kevin

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Kevin Miller

A few gifts in the right places works wonders... especially to folks that have bucks and circulate in a like crowd..

You have a problem with marketing? If you want to sell your stuff, you sort of have to market it, right?

I'd love to just have folks lining up to buy my stuff, but it ain't gonna happen if they don't know about it..

mac

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mac davis

Sorry, that was a poor attempt at humor. (Or being a social critic.) I originally included the line: "Use the Force, Mac", but deleted it.

Yet you have to admit that much in our modern world is hyped beyond belief, and most certainly beyond the item's true worthyness. (Girls Gone Wild, Viagra, and Diamonds around the Holidays all come to mind...)

Greg G.

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Greg G

Agreed. Coffee and Alchohol effectively dehydrate you, making gout worse. Dammmit! Why is life so cruel?!?!?!

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Bruce Barnett

never tried that, but I use the farce a lot..

For sure.. I won't watch anything on TV unless it's recorded and we skip the commercials.. Most of them are an insult to your intelligence and the rest are just annoying..

My pet pi eve is that they've convinced folks that they smell bad and need lots of products to help.. and that "clean", which used to have no smell, IMO, except maybe sun drying, is now classified as one or more of many, many scents that make your clothes, hair, etc. smell like a perfume sampler in a department store..

mac

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mac davis

Was pushing my granddaughter in the buggy at the store last Friday, picking up some fabric softener. A passing female about broke up when I asked my year-old granddaughter if we should by "Spring Fresh," "Mountain Fresh," or "April Fresh" fabric softener. April isn't spring here, in case you wondered.

Only thing dumber than the "enhancement" and ED commercials are the Spams in the morning mailbox. Anybody besides me getting spammed to death, not by male products or penny stock stuff, but by Russian sites offering New Year tours complete with tour parties?

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