Apparently, I'm an uptight knitter...

Hello again -

Dunno if you remember, I intro'd myself some 2 months back with my initial ventures into socks. I've been so into the socks (and umm, the job, and umm, the holidays, and my sick cat... oh well) that I've not been posting.

I fell into a sock rut with sock #7 (or pair #4a, I'm not sure how to keep track) after the first 3 pairs were happily on the feet they were made for . #7 just kept going so wonky, with lost stitches I could NOT find to pick up, or a short-row heel that turned into a toe, or being too small despite being the exact same yarn, needles, and knitter as the second pair...that I gave up and tried a hat from a kit I got.

The HAT was almost as much grief. I made swatches. I got one right. I used the same needles for that swatch. I got a had that wouldn't fit one of my cats. I measured the gauge of the hat, I was off by 2 st. per inch despite my swatch. I took it all out. I re-did the swatch. Started the hat again - nope. MIGHT have fit a baby. I measured the hat guage again, it was closer to the swatch, but I tried an alternate approach - re-calculated the pattern based on the gauge I seemed to be ending up with. Try had again. STILL only kid-sized (I have a large head, but not THAT bad).

Finally went and bought a circular need a full 1 mm larger than the pattern called for. Made a swatch. The gauge of the swatch was WAAAAY too big. To heck! says me. If it's too big I'll weave a drawstring through the hatband edge and have a purse. Off I went at my way too large gauge.

NOW I have a perfectly fitting alpaca/merino/silk toque, and had enough extra yarn left from the kit to make tassels for the top.

Go figure.

I am back to sock number 7, but decided to try toe-up after coming up with a hybrid cast-on based on a couple different ones from knitty.com. So far despite the fact that I'm using the same needles and my last attempt was too SMALL, this sock is now larger than pair #2 (same yarn, same needles, same size 13 hubby's foot), by the look and feel of it. But, since pair #2 is very snug on the size 13 foot, this one is probably still fine. I'm borrowing the foot to try it on every few rows. I'm guessing I'll know better once I turn the heel.

Am I normal? Is it common to have THIS much trouble getting the right gauge? Or to apparently flip-flop between too tight and too loose on different projects?

I really want to try playing with some more luxurious yarns and possibly, maybe, dreamily... make a cardigan out of sari silk, but I've totally scared myself off putting in so much expense and work if I end up with, say, a doll sweater instead.

Befuddledly,

Johanna

Reply to
the Furrsome Threesome
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If you swatched flat and then knitted in the round you may begin to have an inkling of that particlar problem. Flat swatching is knit one way, purl the other (for stockinette, heh). When you make stockinette in the round you're knitting every stitch. I don't know anybody who knits and purls at the same tension.

You *can* make a "flat circular" swatch - just drag the working yarn across the back of your swatch and knit across, repeat, repeat. Be sure to start with at least 10 more stitches than you might otherwise for a swatch, as the edges of a flat circular swatch shouldn't be included in your mathifications.

I broke my arm and tore up my wrist a couple of years ago. When the first cast came off my gauge had changed. A lot. Then I had my wrist "fixed" and I was in a cast again. When that cast came off my gauge had change again. A lot. I have a pre-accident sock and a post-accident sock. Same yarn, same needles, separated by about 12 weeks in time. Two very differently sized socks. I wear them as a pair but they only look the same, they certainly don't fit the same.

These days I can't maintain a consistent gauge for more than about 300 stitches, less if i'm working with fine yarn on wee needles. This is very frustrating, as I used to know to within a half-stitch what gauge to expect with THIS yarn and THOSE needles in stockinette. I didn't swatch unless I had new yarn or a pattern with gauge given in something other than stockinette. Now I spend a couple of days swatching before I start a sweater.

You don't want to make a cardigan out of sari silk. Trust me. Ask me for my photos of half a dozen hanks of the stuff sitting in my washer. The sight will scare you off using sari silk for anything except string bags.

If you know you have a problem the easiest way to rectify it is to keep a ruler handy and check your gauge often. If you start to drift you can adjust your needle accordingly. I do it all the time.

Reply to
WoolyGooly

Even experienced knitters have had gauge problems. Heck, even Stephanie Pearl-MacPhee has them. The best method is to do exactly what you describe: try it on every few rows/rounds, and adjust as needed. The most basic knitting pattern is "cast on enough stitches to go around, knit until it's long enough, add or subtract stitches as needed." Writing them down came later.

Flip-flopping between tight and loose can happen in the same project, let alone between projects. Everything can affect gauge: weather, tiredness, whatever is going on around you ("never knit one of a pair of anything at a football game").

=Tamar

Reply to
Richard Eney

Tamar mentions Stephanie Pearl-McPhee's tension woes - read one of her recent posts and be comforted that you are most certainly not alone:

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Reply to
Vintage Purls

You should take up writing!

Made me laugh - I've been there. Just keep going and post the results!

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

Cece spun a FINE 'yarn':

I must be one of the lucky ones, my gauge never ever changes. I can put a project away (UFO, unfinished object) for YEARS, pick it up, and my knitting (and crocheting and tatting) stays the exact same. JM2C, Noreen

Reply to
YarnWright

Mary Fisher ha escrito:

Agreed!

Gauge changes within a knitting session as the fingers get used to it and then the other way as the fingers tire. Gauge will be different in the morning than in the evening. Gauge will be different in the summer than in the winter. Right before dinner, and right after. When you are happy, or upset, or sad. Anything and everything will affect gauge!

Zimmerman suggests that gauge for one of her sweaters in the round be done by beginning to knit a hat in the round. If you've bought enough more than enough yarn, after the sweater is done, finish the hat. (Otherwise, frog the hat and use the yarn to finish the sweater.) I myself knit more tightly on double-pointeds than on straights, and more tightly on straights than on circulars.

Cece

Reply to
Cece

Poor you with your problems! I usually don't have problems like that, but I think that Wooly gave you some great suggestions. Gauge is the most important thing. That being said, I rarely swatch, but I think for something with a really expensive yarn, I would. Good luck!

Higs, Katherine

Reply to
Katherine

I have an aquaintance who has different guague in purl , than in knit , since she found that out , she knits with a 1 bigger size needle than she purls ,,, And ps , even after almost 60 years of knitting i still have the odd MYSTERIOUS change of guague , it is a kind of jinx ,,,,, or a test mecahnism to make us aware to look at what we do and not take it for granted.

mirjam

Reply to
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen

NOreen count your blessings !! this really is a special thing. mirjam

Reply to
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen spun a FINE 'yarn':

It must be in the genes, Mirjam, as my mother and 2 of my aunts are/were the same way! :D Noreen

Reply to
YarnWright

I'm like Noreen--my guage stays the same--as long as I knit English style. I keep relearning continental thinking that I'll like it and find that my guage is just plain wild in it. I tend to be a bit tight (but consistent) in English, and loose and inconsistent in continental. Maybe if I practiced more in continental it would firm up, but I just don't really like it. Madelaine

Reply to
Madelaine

Madelaine spun a FINE 'yarn':

Madelaine; I knit English for years, and have now been knitting Continental for about 4 years, and my gauge is the same with both... I USE both for the very few fairisle-type things I do, I guess in this case (yours) instead of the swatch swatch swatchmantra, I'd say: practicepracticepractice! (it will come to you, I promise!) Noreen

Reply to
YarnWright

I have to tell you this! A couple of years ago, a friend taught me how to knit continental. I have not practiced it, which is what you need to do to become proficient. But now! Now! Now! Are you ready??? I have joined a KAL that is using the Philosopher's two-handed knitting to do fair isle, so I'll be knitting continental AND English at the same time! I watched the video several times, and it looks so great! No more tangles! Yay!!! (Pray for me! )

Higs, Katherine

Reply to
Katherine

Katherine spun a FINE 'yarn':

Prayers flying upward for your success, Katherine! Hugs, Noreen

Reply to
YarnWright

You'll love it. Just be sure to note down which color you had in which hand when you put it down, so when you pick it up again you can be consistent. It makes a difference.

=Tamar

Reply to
Richard Eney

LOL Thank you, luvvie!

Higs, Katherine

Reply to
Katherine

I just can't believe that I have never tried this before. It looks so easy on the video. Thanks for the tip, Tamar. I'll remember that. I am using lilac and beige, so it should be easy to keep them separate. I will use lilac in my left hand, so that I can say "l = l" to remind myself. (Yes, I have a horrid memory! )

Higs, Katherine

Reply to
Katherine

Katherine spun a FINE 'yarn':

You're entirely welcome, sweets! While I was at it, (sending that prayer upwards), I also prayed for your seminary studies to be successful!

Hugs, Noreen

Reply to
YarnWright

Katherine spun a FINE 'yarn':

Kind of like: leftie-loosie, rightie-tightie, yes? I use mind games to remember things all the time! Hugs, Noreen

Reply to
YarnWright

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