Dear Shelagh I am still here ,, [ i thought about it and decided to keep both groups, the people who left are friends as well./like those who decided to stay here] And i realized i should rethink it all over. Symbolicly the Yahoo thing didn`t let me in ,,,, which gave me more thinking time. I feel i lost an argument, for my belief in people`s reasonablity. and my belief and feelings that i like to share my knowledge with other people. I want to stay here, in an open forum, i want many/any knitters/crocheters have the ability to come in ask a question and feel that an international group can stay nice, and polite,,,, now i feel we Surrendered to the horrid people who tried to bully us. As i am one of the people whose name was dragged into te mud , i understand the urge of some to hide and take cover, But this isn`t the right way. Because now we gave All other bullies the idea that it would be fun and good to go on in thier Horrid destructive ways,,,, Ladies and friends i go out every day to the streets of my country, where terror acts can harm more than a name....No my dear Friends , tis is not the way to behave...I asked my server to treat it, others here did the same.... And i like all of you ,, those who felt they want/need to hide, and those who stayed here ,,, so i what am i to do ???? I don`t want to loose contact with those who left ,, But why do i have to hide ... And there is another side to consider , which really makes it important ESPECIALLY for me and the others who were smeared ,, and i ask you all to consider it seriously... Posts on ngs are quoted on other places on the net , i see many of the sunjects from here , quoted on google lists,,,,, Now please friends look what surfaces on the nest ,,,,, A neat group of people ,,,,,, suddenly some seem to write nasty posts and than they disappear .....conclusions ......not good to our names and reputattions .... but if we go on being our neat and nice selves ,,, more usual nice posts will out weigh the horrid ones ..... and repair the dammage. Anyone who dares to connect us with nasty posts , should be adviced to look atnthe headers which proove it wasn`t ours, says my son. I here by ask all the persons that left to reconsider my above words,,, If you decide to be out i will write double posts , since i don`t want to loose any person ,,,,, But as i said from the begining i am staying here ,,,,, And Shealgh no one here is a ghost brrrrrrr mirjam